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re: NeverTrumpers forgot they don’t matter
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why do you think the general policy philosophy is only limited to drugs?
Because we were talking about drug boats.
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:40 am to SallysHuman
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We shouldn't prevent drugs from coming into our country because the FBI might plant Child Porn on someone's computer.
Really? We really have only two choices here?
I think you're perfectly capable of grasping the nuance here. I do not care if a drug boat gets blown up. It's completely rational to separate that from the method & actors that blow them up, and wondering if that process is a good one that won't create unforeseen problems down the road.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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the bigger picture
It's ironic. Stronger borders and taking out drug boats are doing far more than decades of those claiming to see the broader picture.
Funny, right?
Even IF that's not the case, Trump is actively trying to do something, where as the former administration didn't even step one foot on the border. The so called Border Czar went to a city on the border and was still MILES from the actual border.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:46 am to Flats
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It's completely rational to separate that from the method & actors that blow them up, and wondering if that process is a good one that won't create unforeseen problems down the road.
Every effective measure is a double edged sword. And you can't always choose who wields it... doesn't mean you don't use it when warranted.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:47 am to SallysHuman
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Because we were talking about drug boats.
But the general policy philosophy is not limited to drug boats.
Go back to my initial post on page 1
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Some people see the bigger picture and the concerns presented
You asked "such as" and I'm giving you examples, and then you're retreating from the bigger picture to the curated MAGA talking point.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:48 am to Flats
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It's completely rational to separate that from the method & actors that blow them up, and wondering if that process is a good one that won't create unforeseen problems down the road.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:49 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Stronger borders and taking out drug boats are doing far more than decades of those claiming to see the broader picture.
Taking out these drug boats is doing very little, if anything.
The border is a completely separate issue.
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Even IF that's not the case, Trump is actively trying to do something
At least it started a conversation
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:49 am to texag7
Exactly. Muh bomb Iran WW3. Their pearls are cheap and popped beyond repair of their faux outrages.
Muh geri curls also STFU after they were briefed in a classified setting... Regarding Bunky's fisherman that just want to farm poppy seeds and sell geri curl with their narco wives and sons.
Muh geri curls also STFU after they were briefed in a classified setting... Regarding Bunky's fisherman that just want to farm poppy seeds and sell geri curl with their narco wives and sons.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:50 am to cajunangelle
There was absolutely no reason to rip up the JCPOA.
Most of the fentanyl comes from China and Mexico. Narco terrorists is the new Al Qaeda.
You should be able to see through the propaganda now, but won't for some reason.
Most of the fentanyl comes from China and Mexico. Narco terrorists is the new Al Qaeda.
You should be able to see through the propaganda now, but won't for some reason.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:51 am to texag7
That’s pretty weak sauce, man.
There are legitimate reasons to oppose Trump and you kno it…
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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You asked "such as" and I'm giving you examples,
Like right wing terrorism.
Biden's administration had plenty to say about that.
Where are you going with this?
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:57 am to Bunk Moreland
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Most of the fentanyl comes from China and Mexico. Narco terrorists is the new Al Qaeda.
You should be able to see through the propaganda now, but won't for some reason.
Asking Questions Status:
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:59 am to SallysHuman
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Like right wing terrorism.
That's one potential possibility. Promoting this insane malleability leaves very little off the table of potential options in labeling.
And if that "Antifa is actually an international terror org" policy becomes precedent, that gets even scarier.
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Biden's administration had plenty to say about that.
Why the diversion?
Nobody is promoting Biden policies or defending Biden policies. Biden is irrelevant to this discussion.
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Where are you going with this?
I'm trying to explain. See above explanation for how you're responding. Now you've added "randomly inserting irrelevant Biden comments" as a crutch-pivot.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Involving the US military isn't 'nothing'.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:05 am to texag7
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NeverTrumpers forgot they don’t matter
It’s an exciting time for them. They’re about to see their preferred candidate, an open communist, elected to be mayor of the biggest city in our country.
NYC will descend into anarchic chaos and we get to watch a great societal experiment from afar.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:16 am to SallysHuman
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Every effective measure is a double edged sword. And you can't always choose who wields it... doesn't mean you don't use it when warranted.
Yes, it's the "when warranted" that creates the issue here. And sometimes not opening Pandora's box, regardless of how much we know or think we know about the consequences, is also warranted.
Nobody posting here knows the backstops and safeguards being used here, nobody posting here knows the evidence. If I did I might be fully behind it or I might not, but some of us need a little more than "Trump is doing it so it's awesome."
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:18 am to Flats
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Nobody posting here knows the backstops and safeguards being used here, nobody posting here knows the evidence. If I did I might be fully behind it or I might not, but some of us need a little more than "Trump is doing it so it's awesome."
The problem also is that by tying it to "national security" they are arguing this information is off limits to everyone and no oversight is proper or legal.
That's a second layer of the bigger picture many are ignoring. It's not just the projection of power and how scary that is, but the argument that this projection is beyond oversight or judicial review.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Taking out these drug boats is doing very little, if anything.
This is an opinion and not factual.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:37 am to texag7
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This is an opinion and not factual.
It's an estimate, sure, but anyone with a basic understanding of math can see this.
Calculate the total load of all of these boats and compare it to the total amount of drugs entering the US every year and tell me the %
The question is how many 0s come after "0.0" before you admit it's a nothingburger. You tell me that and I'll try to do some napkin math. I need a specific demarcation from you, though, so we can test your comment compared to mine.
So, what % is significant for you?
Posted on 11/4/25 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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Calculate the total load of all of these boats and compare it to the total amount of drugs entering the US every year and tell me the %
No, you made the claim you tell us. Also tell us how the strikes have affected shipment volume or rates due to fear.
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