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re: Net Neutrality check in.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:49 am to victoire sécurisé
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:49 am to victoire sécurisé
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I wish I had a good answer, but my ISP won't allow me to get to any of the sites to research it.
So, you don't know then?
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:53 am to HubbaBubba
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Those services are not affected by Net Neutrality. Those are wireless carriers, not ISP's. Try again.
Let's see, how about you try again, last time I checked, AT&T and Verizon ARE ISP's that offer landline as well as wireless.
That is the issue, these companies are gobbling up other components so they control the content and the way to get it. last I checked, wireless also uses the same backbone as the ISP's so you are just nitpicking to support your flawed view.
Tell me, do you like to have a certain carrier potentially control what content you have access to? Do you like having them raise prices for the same service you have now?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:54 am to GumboPot
I’m a centrist with conservative leanings, so in today’s climate I guess I am a Republican...
If you don’t think repealing net neutrality was a bad thing, I don’t know what to say. We’ve handed the information superhighway, mostly bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, to the TELCOMS. It’s not if but when they throttle websites and demand more fees.
If you don’t think repealing net neutrality was a bad thing, I don’t know what to say. We’ve handed the information superhighway, mostly bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, to the TELCOMS. It’s not if but when they throttle websites and demand more fees.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:55 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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So, you don't know then?
Sure, let's launch into the merits of using Title II to enforce open access to the internet vs allowing the FTC to enforce vs congress passing a net neutrality bill. That''ll be a fun, productive use of time.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:56 am to victoire sécurisé
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Sure, let's launch into the merits of using Title II to enforce open access to the internet vs allowing the FTC to enforce vs congress passing a net neutrality bill. That''ll be a fun, productive use of time.
Hey, you're the one that brought up passing a law. If you didn't want to discuss it, shouldn't have brought it up.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:57 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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Are you trying to argue that Net Neutrality going away has allowed wireless cell phone carriers to do this to cellular plans?
Coincidence that these all happened just prior the the law being repealed? Of course it has something to do with it. Come back when you are being throttled and/or paying much more for the same service you have now.
I would like to say that the market will correct, but the "big 4" have way too much of the market. Same as the ISP's (Spectrum, Comcast), if you happen to live in an area with choices, then yours is much better than those who have 1 choice or no internet (or very slow).
Comcast can tell you to go frick yourself if you don't want to pay them because they essentially have a monopoly in some areas.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:57 am to touchdownjeebus
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If you don’t think repealing net neutrality was a bad thing, I don’t know what to say. We’ve handed the information superhighway, mostly bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, to the TELCOMS. It’s not if but when they throttle websites and demand more fees.
So, why do you think title 2 classification is good for the internet?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 9:59 am to 33inNC
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Coincidence that these all happened just prior the the law being repealed? Of course it has something to do with it. Come back when you are being throttled and/or paying much more for the same service you have now.
I would like to say that the market will correct, but the "big 4" have way too much of the market. Same as the ISP's (Spectrum, Comcast), if you happen to live in an area with choices, then yours is much better than those who have 1 choice or no internet (or very slow).
Comcast can tell you to go frick yourself if you don't want to pay them because they essentially have a monopoly in some areas.
That's funny. Spectrum has been running ads specifically targeted at AT&T's fees, eliminating pretty much all of theirs. It is almost as if the market is working, even in spite of local municipalities trying to eliminate it.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:07 am to SirWinston
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I remember Lori Pitts was really upset about it and called every Wisconsin Rep and Senator
You ought to follow Trump Girl @thermolito. Smoke show and seems smart.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:10 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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That's funny. Spectrum has been running ads specifically targeted at AT&T's fees, eliminating pretty much all of theirs. It is almost as if the market is working, even in spite of local municipalities trying to eliminate it.
I am done arguing with you guys, seems like you already have your mind made up. Look, as another poster mentioned, taxpayer money paid for a lot of this infrastructure, so why do we want to give it over to the ISP exclusively?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:11 am to 33inNC
quote:Because it's dangerous to have the government control such an important aspect of communication and speech, for one.
Look, as another poster mentioned, taxpayer money paid for a lot of this infrastructure, so why do we want to give it over to the ISP exclusively?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:13 am to 33inNC
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seems like you already have your mind made up
And you don't?
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Look, as another poster mentioned, taxpayer money paid for a lot of this infrastructure, so why do we want to give it over to the ISP exclusively?
I'll ask again. Why is title 2 classification good for the internet?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:19 am to FooManChoo
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Because it's dangerous to have the government control such an important aspect of communication and speech, for one.
I never said that I wanted the government to have full control, I want a balance of control and this give too much to the ISP's.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:20 am to touchdownjeebus
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I’m a centrist with conservative leanings, so in today’s climate I guess I am a Republican...
If you don’t think repealing net neutrality was a bad thing, I don’t know what to say. We’ve handed the information superhighway, mostly bought and paid for by the American taxpayer, to the TELCOMS. It’s not if but when they throttle websites and demand more fees.
But in a free market that's when competition enters and the prices reset according to what the market demands.
I also understand that the telecoms can and will most likely capture politicians to pass laws and block competition. They do it in other industries all the time. At that point net neutrality will make more sense.
Until then let's keep this open and free. At this point, there is no point in creating laws for problems that don't exists and are only in our imagination. If the free market is working, let it work. It seems to be working right now.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:21 am to GumboPot
11 up votes and 11 down..
Someone help me here.. what stance should I take on this to continue completely partisan politics?
Someone help me here.. what stance should I take on this to continue completely partisan politics?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:22 am to FooManChoo
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Because it's dangerous to have the government control such an important aspect of communication and speech, for one.
Control of speech is what I'm really really worried about.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:23 am to victoire sécurisé
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So we should wait until after big ISP's start throttling websites to make a law against it?
Hey dumb dumb, I have Cox Internet and the day after Net Nuetrality was repealed they sent out a notice that said two things
1. That Cox Cable would NEVER block certain content or throttle the speed of any site to discourage visitors
and
2. That our base speed was tripling to 150 Mbps and that Gigablast was now available in our area.
If any yall get a chance to get Gigabyte internet, WOW is all I can say.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:23 am to GumboPot
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But in a free market that's when competition enters and the prices reset according to what the market demands.
I also understand that the telecoms can and will most likely capture politicians to pass laws and block competition. They do it in other industries all the time. At that point net neutrality will make more sense.
Until then let's keep this open and free. At this point, there is no point in creating laws for problems that don't exists and are only in our imagination. If the free market is working, let it work. It seems to be working right now.
To compound on this, it can be achieved without title 2. The courts already laid out a foundation. It was attempted back in 2014 or 15, but completely shut down by the dems. Their goal was to gain title 2 regulation. Any method of achieving "net neutrality" without title 2, they weren't interested in. Title 2 is terrible for everyone except the gov't, when it comes to the internet.
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:25 am to 33inNC
So the free market is working?
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:27 am to Xenophon
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11 up votes and 11 down..
Someone help me here.. what stance should I take on this to continue completely partisan politics?
The way I see it, it boils down to a highly regulated market versus a free market.
Net Neutrality is the nose of the camel under the tent to a highly regulated market. And regulators don't always have our best interest at heart. They have their interests and the interests of those that capture them. That is more dangerous than a free market IMO.
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