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re: Negotiations for peace in Ukraine have started

Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:01 pm to
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
Member since Feb 2005
14756 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:01 pm to
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Yes they are pointless with one exception. The one exception is showing that Ukraine is serious about peace talks and Russia is not. That should make it hard for the ppl who think Ukraine is the side who is refusing to talk peace.


Let me guess.
Russia attacked Ukraine because putin is a bad guy?
Posted by Statestreet
Gueydan
Member since Sep 2008
13890 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:06 pm to
You mean peace through WW3?
Posted by VictoryTiger
Member since Aug 2023
382 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:08 pm to
A veteran and a doctor. Are you sure you aren’t a lawyer too?

So, was the war between north and south Vietnam not a civil war? Give me a break. You are brain dead. Not to mention the communist north had infiltrated the south long before the war ramped up. In the same way Russia has infiltrated Ukraine long before the war itself broke out in 2022. And the US came along to support it for interests far beyond that of our citizens (you wouldn’t understand that part), in the same way they support Ukraine although it has zero benefit to the average American (again, you don’t get that)

Congrats on seeing corruption in Eastern Europe. My retarded cousin sees it too. If it bothers you that much, go home and fight it. We have plenty of corruption in the USA, that should be your primary concern if this is your home.

Last comment sounds like a load of shite based on your priors. Let’s send your kids to fight instead of me and mine. Send your dumb arse wife too. What are you waiting for, besides the chance to try another “gotcha” response to me.

You still gonna meet that dude at sonic big guy? Probably not. Still would be happy to get a chance to see him kick your arse while I have a corn dog.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
54002 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:11 pm to
The US is an embarrassment. There was a time the US would have been the nation brokering a peace negotiation, instead the illegitimate regime causes a conflict/war.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53849 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:16 pm to
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About 40 countries will take part in them, according to Al Jazeera. Other media, citing local television, claim about 30 countries.




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Russia will not be present there.


Then this doesn't matter
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:16 pm to
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The US is an embarrassment.


Don't let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
18181 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:19 pm to
Sounds like it's just another zelensky cry for funding.

How can there be peace negotiation when one of countries that are at war, not part of the negotiations? Smh.

Legit negotiations would be shite like Ukraine signing some shite that vows they won't try to join NATO, and that NATO is not allowed in their country. And Russia giving back the territory they took from Ukraine.

Instead, we'll probably see negotiations like this "der, Russia must disband their government, Putin must be executed, and Russia must pay Ukraine a kajillion dollars. Russia is not allowed to have a military. "
Posted by AnotherWin4LSU
Member since Jun 2023
395 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:42 pm to
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The Ukrainians are fricked

They need three to four times as much artillery as they have. Worse, they don’t have enough ammunition for the guns they do have, we just can’t manufacture it quickly enough for them. We lost that production capacity.


The Russians have lost the capacity too. That is why they are begging North Korea shells.

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They’ve also taken brutal casualties over the last year, which has decimated their officer corps, especially the junior leaders. So there’s an experience issue now. You can see how they struggle to organize complicated maneuvers. And this experience issue is magnified among the enlisted who are getting very rushed and a consequence grossly inadequate training. They’re not prepared for what they’ve being asked to do.


The Russians are in a worse position. They have lost atleast twice the number of soldiers as Ukraine. Their main supply line is just a few more missile and/or dron hits from collapsing into the sea. They have to deal with an growing insurgency in Mariupol and Crimea. Oh and their best forces mutinied against them a little over a month ago and are therefore being redeployed to Africa so they don't mutiny again.

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The armor losses are bad, and this will become a problem later in the year, because no one in the west is mass producing them on any scale. They can’t replace these losses.


Rheinmental is converting a soviet tractor factory in western Ukraine into a tank factory for Leopards as we speak.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
984 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:44 pm to
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Are you living in an alternate reality. Ukraine is slowly but steadily advancing through the Russian defensive lines


They're going nowhere...at the current rate of attrition they will need about a million more men and 10000 more armored vehicles to reach their goals. This is all while ceding ground in the north, making it a wash, with Ukraine taking substantially more losses.

Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
43172 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 9:46 pm to
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Russia will not be present there


Then these meetings are for nothing.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:25 pm to
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The Russians have lost the capacity too. That is why they are begging North Korea shells.


The Russians can produce at least a million shells a year, the upper bound could be much higher, because they can bring idle production online, and they are now operating plants 24/7.

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The Russians are in a worse position. They have lost atleast twice the number of soldiers as Ukraine.


You should know that’s not true.

Artillery is responsible for 90% of casualties. And that has been Russia prime advantage during the whole war, and Ukraines primary point of pain. And that’s a ratio that actually cropped up in an interview with a Russian Army medic, he reported that 90% of the men he treated in the spring of 22 were wounded by mines or artillery.

When the BBC did their obituary survey in Russia in February, they came up with around 14k, KIA.

Actually casualty figures at this point? Maybe 50k or 60k. But that’s top end.

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Their main supply line is just a few more missile and/or dron hits from collapsing into the sea.


Their MSR in the south is a vulnerability, but the Ukrainians would need to push much further south to bring their weapon systems in range of it.

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They have to deal with an growing insurgency in Mariupol and Crimea


Those are just Ukrainian unconventional warfare units, doing their thing. Plus some SBU agents/assets.

Mariupol was one of the centers of resistance when the civil war broke out, Azov was deployed there precisely because Kiev wanted a really nasty unit there to keep the locals under lock and key. The only reason Ukraine was able to keep it was because of a deal Akhmetov made, in order to protect his assets there.

Crimea, it’s very Russian. It’s the fact it’s a historic summer destination, and children from all across Russia go there for camp, it’s that it’s very desirable place to live or retire to, all of the Russian aristocrats had summer palaces there, but it’s also the naval base. You end up with a lot of naval personnel, and their families. Many choose to stay there, or come back, when they retire. But it was also just part of Russia for a very long time, because of the Tsars victory over the Khanate.

Ukraine’s right to it is entirely derived from the way the Soviets and the Bolsheviks redrew the maps, to divide their enemies, and create internal stability in the USSR.

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Oh and their best forces mutinied against them a little over a month ago and are therefore being redeployed to Africa so they don't mutiny again.


It’s a loss for Russia and one of the weirdest stories to emerge form the war. But it’s not shifting the balance at the front though.

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Rheinmental is converting a soviet tractor factory in western Ukraine into a tank factory for Leopards as we speak.


This is one of things that doesn’t make sense to me. The Russians will blow that up, immediately.

And there’s no scenario where the west can collectively match Russias armored production. We’re not going to crank out 1,000 MBTs in a year. That’s impossible for us because we don’t have the factories, we don’t have the assembly lines, and we don’t have the men trained to operate them.
This post was edited on 8/5/23 at 10:33 pm
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 10:26 pm to
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The Russians are in a worse position. They have lost atleast twice the number of soldiers as Ukraine.


Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3289 posts
Posted on 8/5/23 at 11:02 pm to
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Zelensky asked Putin to meet in person as the invasion started. Putin said no.


Nonsense. Peace talks between delegations from Russia and Ukraine were underway at the Dolmabahce Presidential Office in Istanbul, Turkey in late March. In early April Bo Jo showed up in Kyiv & essentially sabotaged those efforts.
It's Zalensky that has admitted he/ Ukraine never intended on honoring the Minsk Agreements, and they didn't. That's a big reason as to why we're here.


But yeah, blame the U.S. for everything you don't like. Having a boogeyman is a simpleton way to make difficult things make sense.[/quote]

We blame the U.S. for things the U.S. does.
The fact that you're unaware of, or refuse to acknowledge, the nefarious & hypocritical shite we do is on you, nobody else. Don't visit your ignorance of the situation on the rest of us.
The U.S. has made Russia their/your/our boogeyman for decades while offering little to no proof of the claims.
(see Hillary/DNC servers, Russiagte, Bountygate)

Posted by Tall Tiger
Golden Rectangle
Member since Sep 2007
4176 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 12:08 am to
The U.S. has slipped so far in geopolitics in the last two years. And our credit just got downgraded.

It's scary what a truly bad president can do in just a short amount of time.
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
12632 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 1:25 am to
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The Russians are in a worse position. They have lost atleast twice the number of soldiers as Ukraine.

Gonna need to see a link for this info...make sure it includes Ukrainian losses as well.
Posted by rhar61
Member since Nov 2022
5109 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 1:29 am to
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I’m sure those posters will twist their words to make it seem like the US is pushing for war and Putin wants peace…



I am sure you are a liar
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52597 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 3:29 am to
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Ukraine has no economic value.

If this was true Russia would not have invaded and we would not be defending Ukraine.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52597 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 3:31 am to
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Ukraine should have sued for peace but the US and NATO wouldn't allow it

You can’t sue for peace with terms unless you show that you have power. Suing for peace without first fighting is called surrender.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2010
16170 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 3:45 am to
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AnotherWin4LSU


Found the extremely stupid moron who knows nothing about this war. Next time just link us CNN.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
3589 posts
Posted on 8/6/23 at 4:01 am to
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The world is laughing at the US and moving past us.
you are oblivious. these are completely fake. everything about this bogus war was preplanned. this is all a big scam to launder money. do you think larry fink winning the right to rebuild ukraine was a jolly frickin coincidence.

they make money blowing it up
they make money building it back
every single war the US ever was involved in
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