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re: NBC: Pentagon thinking about pulling many troops planes ships and weapons out of Europe

Posted on 9/18/26 at 6:58 am to
Posted by Woolfpack
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 6:58 am to
Coffee


This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 3:40 am
Posted by RFK
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:00 am to
What units do we have in Italy?
Posted by TimeOutdoors
LA
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 7:04 am to
Just Europe or elsewhere as well?
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 12:58 pm to
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Just Europe or elsewhere as well?



I think just Europe at the moment
Posted by OchoDedos
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:45 pm to
It's all fine good to walk around beating your chests like Neanderthal MAGA types, but you're too stupid to understand, or realize, that the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress, like it or not, because Congress approved the Treaty for US Membership to occur.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:47 pm to
Good, tired of fighting Europe's wars.



Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:49 pm to
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It's all fine good to walk around beating your chests like Neanderthal MAGA types, but you're too stupid to understand, or realize, that the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress, like it or not, because Congress approved the Treaty for US Membership to occur.


The moderates are here to tell us we must keep troops all over the world fighting everyone's wars for them.

fricking mouthbreather.


Posted by aubie101
Russia
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:49 pm to
Bring them home.... Out of Japan also.
Posted by OchoDedos
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:52 pm to
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What units do we have in Italy?

6th Fleet HQ Gaeta
US Army Airborne Brigade Vicenza
NAS Sigonella
NAS Capodichino
USAF Base Aviano
US Army Camp Darby Pisa
Posted by OchoDedos
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:54 pm to
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fricking mouthbreather

Eat shite arse Wipe
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 1:56 pm to
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but you're too stupid to understand, or realize, that the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress, like it or not, because Congress approved the Treaty for US Membership to occur.


I dont think this is correct at all. Can you back it up?
Posted by OchoDedos
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:07 pm to
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Can you back it up?

Congress ratified the NATO Treaty in 1949. A US President cannot unilaterally alter the basis of that Treaty unless approved by Congress .Why do think the past Liberal Democrat President's never tried ? It's because they didn't have the votes in the Senate to alter or eliminate the NATO Treaty, and never will.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:11 pm to
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It's all fine good to walk around beating your chests like Neanderthal MAGA types, but you're too stupid to understand, or realize, that the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress, like it or not, because Congress approved the Treaty for US Membership to occur.


Where can I find this info to validate your claim?


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No such treaty obligation exists for the US to maintain a fixed or percentage-based number of troops relative to other members. Extensive searches of treaty texts, official analyses, Congressional Research Service materials, NATO documentation, and related sources turn up no provision matching that description.

thefinalexodus.org

North Atlantic Treaty (NATO / Washington Treaty, 1949)The treaty (ratified by the US Senate) creates collective defense under Article 5: an armed attack on one is considered an attack on all, and each party shall take “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.”
Article 3 calls for members to maintain and develop individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack through self-help and mutual aid.
Article 11 requires that provisions be carried out “in accordance with [each party’s] respective constitutional processes.”
There are no numerical troop requirements, no percentage formulas tied to other members’ forces, and no mandatory permanent basing levels. Force contributions for NATO operations or missions are voluntary (“force generation”). Permanent US troop presence in Europe has been a policy choice for deterrence and reassurance, not a treaty quota. Historical Senate debates (including 1949) explicitly rejected the idea of permanent large US troop commitments as a treaty requirement.

cato.org

NATO’s 2% (and more recent higher) GDP defense-spending guidelines are political commitments from summit communiqués, not binding treaty obligations for troop numbers. They are measured as shares of national GDP, not percentages of other members’ troops.Other relevant treaties and limitsTreaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE, 1990): This set upper limits (ceilings) on categories of conventional equipment (tanks, armored combat vehicles, artillery, combat aircraft, attack helicopters) for groups of states in Europe. It included a “sufficiency” rule so that no single state would hold more than roughly one-third of the group total in those categories. It did not mandate minimum US troop levels or percentage-based troop contributions. Personnel/manpower limits were discussed separately and largely dropped or handled via non-binding declarations. The treaty focused on equipment reductions/upper bounds; the US and NATO allies later suspended participation regarding Russia.

nuke.fas.org

Bilateral mutual-defense treaties (e.g., with Japan, South Korea, Philippines) generally allow or facilitate US forces by mutual agreement but do not impose percentage-based troop quotas relative to the partner’s forces.
Domestic US law has contained overseas end-strength limitations (e.g., a former statutory cap around 203,000 permanent duty ashore outside the US, with wartime/emergency exceptions and presidential waiver), but these are ordinary statutes enacted by Congress, not treaty formulas.

uscode.house.gov

Role of CongressTreaties requiring Senate advice and consent (two-thirds) become part of the “supreme Law of the Land” once ratified, but:Implementation, funding, and force structure remain subject to Congress’s constitutional powers over appropriations, the size and organization of the armed forces, and declarations of war/authorizations for use of military force.
The President, as Commander in Chief, directs deployments, subject to funding and statutory limits. Congress can (and has) influenced overseas presence through the National Defense Authorization Act, appropriations, and oversight. Recent legislation has restricted unilateral presidential withdrawal from the North Atlantic Treaty itself.

congress.gov

Actual US troop numbers abroad (historically highest in Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.) have fluctuated with strategy, budgets, and politics—not because a treaty formula dictated a share of allies’ forces.

In short, the claim appears to conflate political/policy expectations around burden-sharing, voluntary force contributions, equipment ceilings in arms-control treaties, or domestic statutes with a nonexistent treaty rule requiring percentage-based US troop levels. No primary treaty text or authoritative legal analysis supports a binding obligation of that form. US force posture is ultimately a matter of national policy, executive direction, and congressional funding and legislation.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:23 pm to
And yet the pentagon budget must go up and up.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:28 pm to
If it's part of the flex to the Pacific even better.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
93122 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:31 pm to
Aviano AB to start with.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:37 pm to
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NBC: Pentagon thinking about pulling many troops planes ships and weapons out of Europe


Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2746 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:39 pm to

I was responding to this:
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the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress


Which is untrue.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20282 posts
Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:39 pm to
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Trump is attempting to dismantle NATO


No you dumbfxck he is trying to get them to pull their own weight as agreed upon in the damn treaty!

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making allies enemies and enemies allies


You are an even bigger dumbfxk than I thought, You think if you pay every bar tab your friends are really your friends. Test it! Make them pay or better yet tell them not o but your enemy’s booze and if they do you are not friends.

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Seems like he is on pace to bankrupt US Govt with this new endless war just spending money like making it rain at strip club.



Yeah it is a great idea to let a Radical Islamic country who has said “death to America” and killed 1,000’s of US servicemen/citizens to get a nuclear weapon……Jesus you may be the biggest moron on this board!
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/18/26 at 2:43 pm to
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I was responding to this:
quote:
quote:

the US is Treaty obligated to keep a certain number of troops based on percentages of the other members, and the only ones that can do anything about it is Congress



Which is untrue.


I asked for a source for his claim as I have only seen the contrary and I posted what I found on a quick query of AI
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