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re: NBC Chuck Todd critical of Obama in book just released

Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:13 am to
Posted by Clete Purcel
Jennings, LA
Member since Oct 2013
145 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:13 am to
I think it is very cowardly how Chuck Todd, Leon Panetta and Robert Gates, to name a few, all come out with critical books AFTER it is too late to do anything about it. Why didn't they confront the President? Why didn't they (Panetta & Gates) resign and report on the dysfunction that most everyone knows exists? That would have been the honorable thing to do.

I'm cynical, but it just appears that when Progressive policies don't work and are proven to not work, they jettison the individual - Obama in this case, so that he takes the fall and not the Progressive Agenda. That way, they can get someone else to advance their flag.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
56108 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:17 am to
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the honorable thing to do.


With all due respect, not an attribute concerning political agendas.
Posted by Jim Ignatowski
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2013
1383 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:24 am to
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I'm cynical, but it just appears that when Progressive policies don't work and are proven to not work, they jettison the individual - Obama in this case, so that he takes the fall and not the Progressive Agenda. That way, they can get someone else to advance their flag.


That's because progressives are smarter than any one else in the room!!! They cannot conceive that their ideas might be wrong!! If what they propose does not work out...well...obviously it is the fault of someone else or the fault of a set of uncontrollable circumstances.

Oh.....and they are REALLY REALLY REALLY good at spending other people's money.....and lot's of it!!!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:37 am to
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That, plus the distinct possibility that the liberal media will begin to increasingly criticize a suddenly (mostly) useless Obama in an attempt to draw a distinction between he and Hillary Clinton

this

obama will be criticized for not being "democratic" enough, just in time to have a new candidate who will make the same promises to get elected in 2016

that's why i think warren is going to get the nom over HRC. agree or disagree with warren, but she's a legit populist liberal. plus HRC is not going to be able to play the "i'm a true liberal" card with her issues with war/conflict

the GOP may fall into the same trap. they have 2 years to try to work with Obama on issues to come to the middle in the eyes of the electorate. this would set up Rand Paul pretty well, but i don't think the GOP will think ahead and will try to move to a more partisan base level
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:40 am to
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agree or disagree with warren, but she's a legit populist liberal.


not a legit Indian, but she is that
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9779 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:46 am to
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This volume fails to grapple seriously with how the White House’s eagerness to exit that war (and failure to make a concerted effort to persuade the prime minister at the time, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to make a deal regarding United States troops)


Wait, I thought that was Bush's fault?
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:52 am to
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Here's a crazy thought, Chuckie. Perhaps you and your cohorts could've done your jobs of vetting this empty suit in 2007-2008 and saved us a lot of grief.

I had him figured out in 2008, but regardless, congratulations on recognizing the obvious by 2014. Good job.

Todd makes no mention of improper vetting, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. The American people knew all there was to know about Obama's background before 2008, because FOX and Hillary made sure of that. Furthermore, they had four years to assess his leadership ability before 2012 when they reelected him.

Anyway, doesn't Todd's book undermine your claim that MSNBC has no real journalist, just Democratic locksteppers and Obama cheerleaders?
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9779 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:55 am to
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Anyway, doesn't Todd's book undermine your claim that MSNBC has no real journalist, just Democratic locksteppers and Obama cheerleaders?



Barack Obama is yesterday's news. The Leisure Suit of American politics.

Chuck's just getting ready for Hillary!
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87207 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:56 am to
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I had him figured out in 2004


DNC speech didn't fool me a bit. I know a con man when I see one.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77555 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:57 am to
A great example of the lack of insight present in so many leftists is the president's narcissism impairing his ability to understand that HE was the one voted against on Tuesday. It was all about him and his being told "No!" by the people.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87207 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 8:59 am to
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I'm cynical, but it just appears that when Progressive policies don't work and are proven to not work, they jettison the individual - Obama in this case, so that he takes the fall and not the Progressive Agenda. That way, they can get someone else to advance their flag.


While this is true, given all the people Obama has tossed under the bus on his way up and while at the top, I can't imagine a more worthy or fitting person to have this happen to.

Hoist on his own petard, if you will.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:15 am to
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Now that there are no more elections till 2016 the press will actually do their job and ask Obama the tough questions. This is only to regain some of their lost credibility over the last 6 years
The goal will be to separate the 2016 democrat candidate from Obama. The last thing the democrat party wants 2016 to be an election about Obama, the way 2008 was about Bush. Expect a lot of stories about how [insertdemocratcandidate] is different that Obama.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:17 am to
I realized this was my biggest beef with Obama three or four years ago.

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Those problems include what critics see as Mr. Obama’s passive leadership and lack of managerial experience; his disdain for, but inability to change, politics as usual in Washington; and his reluctance to reach out to Congress and members of both parties to engage in the sort of forceful horse trading (like Lyndon B. Johnson’s) and dogged retail politics (like Bill Clinton’s) that might have helped forge more legislative deals and build public consensus.

Obama never channeled his inner LBJ. You can't always get people to do what you want to by sweet talking them. Sometimes you have to twist their arms to make them do what you want. Also, you can't be afraid to use political capital for fear of upsetting people or getting bad press. For example, Truman desegregated the military by executive order, he didn't wait on Congress to act. Conversely, Obama waited for public opinion to turn and Congress to act before he juumped on the gay rights bandwagon, despite the fact he could have used an executive order to change the military's policy just like Turman did. And remember, gay rights is one of the things he campaigned on in 2008. Similarly, he's let down Hispanics by not keeping all the promises he made to them on immigration, because he's afraid of a little political blowback.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11764 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:19 am to
I predict a lot of criticism and separation from Obama now that he is useless to them. Real journalists wouldn't have waited until after all the elections.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:21 am to
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Wait, I thought that was Bush's fault?
It's nobody's fault, it's a dumb talking point from people who either never understood Iraqi politics or have willfully forgotten how it was aligned a few years ago. Maliki's second coalition had Sadrists in it. You know, this guy?



They fricking hate us and would have pulled their support from him at so much as a whiff of continued American presence. Maliki's choice was essentially (a) sign a new American deal and lose power right there (b) let us leave and gamble on keeping order with only Iranian support. Maliki, being a self-interested semi-competent sectarian dipshit, chose (b). There's nothing Bush, Obama, McCain, or anyone could have done about that, short of ditching the "democracy" plan and rigging the election or otherwise forcibly installing Allawi as PM.
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
13586 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:23 am to
Chuck Todd's wife is a dem operative. I would guess the dem playbook is just to create separation from obama and clintons for 2016.
Posted by trackfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19691 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:24 am to
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Real journalists wouldn't have waited until after all the elections.

Isn't it the publisher that decides when a book gets released?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62463 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:28 am to
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Obama never channeled his inner LBJ.
He never had it to channel. He simply isn't a leader, nor a persuader. We know from Woodward, he's a dishonest negotiator.

This should have surprised no one. His "auto"biography paints the picture of someone who quit and gave up. A lot. His resume had almost no leadership history.

Ideology aside... he came poorly equipped for the job.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14952 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:30 am to
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Chuck Todd critical of Obama in book just released


Mary Landrieu thinks Chuck Todd must be racist.

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The American people knew all there was to know about Obama's background before 2008, because FOX and Hillary made sure of that.


You actually make a good point. The voters had every chance to notice the lack of experience; they just didn't care. Yeah, voters!

Posted by davesdawgs
Georgia - Class of '75
Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 11/6/14 at 9:34 am to
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Here's a crazy thought, Chuckie. Perhaps you and your cohorts could've done your jobs of vetting this empty suit in 2007-2008 and saved us a lot of grief.

I had him figured out in 2008, but regardless, congratulations on recognizing the obvious by 2014. Good job.



This. His elucidation is 7 years too late. The damage has already been done.
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