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re: Nathan Bedford Forrest Monument is Coming Down in Memphis
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:47 pm to beerJeep
Posted on 12/20/17 at 11:47 pm to beerJeep
quote:Wrong. Serfdom was considerably worse than slavery.
feudalism which, as you know, treated serfs basically as slaves.
Slaves at least legally existed.
Serfs were considered part of the land, like a rock or a tree
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:34 am to AustinTigr
quote:
I am totally against taking down Confederate statues with the exception of Nathan Bedford Forrest. The man started the KKK, I don't see anything redeemable about him.
From the Huffington Post:
quote:
Sure General Nathan Bedford Forrest may have helped lead the Ku Klux Klan, and he’s blamed for the massacre of Ft. Pillow, but there’s a part of Forrest that needs to be told to those who continue to cheer him as a champion of the South. He eventually saw the light, softened his racism, and eventually worked to destroy the KKK. It was the best thing he ever did.
Forrest was a brilliant cavalry officer - and a product of his times. Plus he was a man who saw the evils of slavery and worked his arse off to fight what the KKK was becoming.
The ordination of the KKK was NOT to harass blacks. It was a resistance to the reconstruction era corruption.
A statue of Forrest should be a beacon for how monumental human events can change in one lifetime - for the better.
If someone can honor Robert Byrd to this day in the halls of the Senate - and not advocate to erase HIS name off the bridges and libraries and streets in West Virginia, they have no place dishonoring Nathan Bedford Forrest!!!
Byrd joined the KKK with the explicit purpose of marginalizing - if not outright killing - blacks. THAT is a real disgrace
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 6:35 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:38 am to Amadeo
quote:
slaughtering of surrendering black solders at the Battle of Fort Pillow.
That is an outright lie.
There was no 'slaughter of surrendering blacks" at Ft Pillow. That was a made-up slander at the time which has as much credence as "hands up = don't shoot"
quote:
Forrest demanded unconditional surrender. Bradford asked for an hour for consultation, and Forrest granted twenty minutes. Bradford refused surrender and the Confederates renewed the attack, soon overran the fort, and drove the Federals down the river’s bluff into a deadly crossfire. Casualties were high and only sixty-two of the U.S. Colored Troops survived the fight.
Surprising that anyone survived a 'slaughter of surrendered troops" - for instance how many Texans survived the massacre at Goliad???
Are you suggesting that the Confederates were just monumentally bad at this "massacre" thing??
Union was outmanned and out maneuvered. Forrest offered surrender - Bradford refused. Fight continued with deadly consequence.
There was NO surrender - only survivors from a bad decision by Bradford.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 6:46 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:45 am to AustinTigr
quote:
I am totally against taking down Confederate statues with the exception of Nathan Bedford Forrest. The man started the KKK, I don't see anything redeemable about him.
You do not know history. Look up and read the speech that Forrest delivered to the black citizens of Memphis (ironic) on July 12, 1875. Find it and read it, I dare you. Then come back and spout your "he was an evil racists monster" bullshite invented by the lazy progressive academia echo chamber.
This post was edited on 12/21/17 at 6:54 am
Posted on 12/21/17 at 6:59 am to 10MTNTiger
quote:
read the speech that Forrest delivered to the black citizens of Memphis (ironic) on July 12, 1875.
Since the race-hustlers will abandon this thread
quote:
Forrest's speech during a meeting of the "Jubilee of Pole Bearers" is a story that needs to be told. Gen. Forrest was the first white man to be invited by this group which was a forerunner of today's Civil Right's group. A reporter of the Memphis Avalanche newspaper was sent to cover the event that included a Southern barbeque supper.
Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of a Pole Bearer member, was introduced to Forrest and she presented the former general a bouquet of flowers as a token of reconciliation, peace and good will.
On July 5, 1875, Nathan Bedford Forrest delivered this speech:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the Southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man, to depress none.
(Applause.)
I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.)
End of speech.1
Nathan Bedford Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis for the bouquet and then gave her a kiss on the cheek. Such a kiss was unheard of in the society of those days, in 1875, but it showed a token of respect and friendship between the general and the black community and did much to promote harmony among the citizens of Memphis.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:07 am to MISSOURI WALTZ
They had to exploit a legal loophole because of Tennessee law on statues.
They actually sold 2 public parks to a private owner for $1,000 and the new owner immediately took them down.
They actually sold 2 public parks to a private owner for $1,000 and the new owner immediately took them down.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:43 am to MISSOURI WALTZ
JHC this is still up?
This should have come down years before people started even talking about R.E. Lee
I mean, the dude founded the KKK.
This should have come down years before people started even talking about R.E. Lee
I mean, the dude founded the KKK.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:14 am to RFK
quote:
This should have come down years before people started even talking about R.E. Lee
I mean, the dude founded the KKK.
so much self-inflicted ignorance on display here
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:25 am to MISSOURI WALTZ
Wow - the American Taliban continue...
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:38 am to ChineseBandit58
Explain yourself.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 8:42 am to MISSOURI WALTZ
Yeah, unlike General Lee, I see damn good reasons why black people would not want their tax dollars going to a statue for Nathan Bedford Forrest. Being from the Memphis area, I've been a bit dismayed that that statue has still been around. It's an embarrassment to a city of many embarrassments. Good riddance.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:00 am to OMLandshark
Robert Byrd would love this thread
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