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Nassim Taleb’s (author of Black Swan and AntiFragile) position on masks
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:05 pm
I am not a fan of forced mandates, but I follow data /opinions with an open mind. Below has made me lean towards wearing one when in close proximity to others
https://medium.com/incerto/the-masks-masquerade-7de897b517b7
Taleb is a no bullshite mathematician/philosopher who wrote “The Black Swan” and “Antifragile”
https://medium.com/incerto/the-masks-masquerade-7de897b517b7
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The Masks Masquerade
Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Nassim Nicholas Taleb Follow Jun 14 · 5 min read
Incompetence and Errors in Reasoning Around Face Covering
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SIX ERRORS: 1) missing the compounding effects of masks, 2) missing the nonlinearity of the probability of infection to viral exposures, 3) missing absence of evidence (of benefits of mask wearing) for evidence of absence (of benefits of mask wearing), 4) missing the point that people do not need governments to produce facial covering: they can make their own, 5) missing the compounding effects of statistical signals, 6) ignoring the Non-Aggression Principle by pseudolibertarians (masks are also to protect others from you; it’s a multiplicative process: every person you infect will infect others).
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First error: missing the compounding effect People who are good at exams (and become bureaucrats, economists, or hacks), my experience has been, are not good at understanding nonlinearities and dynamics. The WHO, CDC and other bureaucracies initially failed to quickly realize that the benefits of masks compound, simply because two people are wearing them and you have to look at the interaction.
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Sixth Error: The Non-Aggression Principle “Libertarians” (in brackets) are resisting mask wearing on grounds that it constrains their freedom. Yet the entire concept of liberty lies in the Non-Aggression Principle, the equivalent of the Silver Rule: do not harm others; they in turn should not harm you. Even more insulting is the demand by pseudolibertarians that Costco should banned from forcing customers to wear mask — but libertarianism allows you to set the rules on your own property. Costco should be able to force visitors to wear pink shirts and purple glasses if they wished. Note that by infecting another person you are not infecting just another person. You are infecting many many more and causing systemic risk.
Wear a mask. For the Sake of Others.
Taleb is a no bullshite mathematician/philosopher who wrote “The Black Swan” and “Antifragile”
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 1:13 pm
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:07 pm to ThinePreparedAni
He has also been fairly Trump-ish.
Refusing to wear masks in ANY circumstance is a sign of derangement at this point.
Refusing to wear masks in ANY circumstance is a sign of derangement at this point.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Refusing to wear masks in ANY circumstance is a sign of derangement at this point.
Democrats are using the mask rules to break opposition to their dictats.
It’s not about health, or safety, it’s about forcing you to bend.
So opposition is entirely warranted. It’s perhaps the one thing normal people can do, to resist.
Mask rules also subject Americans to institutionalized fear. Which is hugely corrosive.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:12 pm to ThinePreparedAni
I’ve pretty much said the same thing all along, just with fewer and shorter words. 
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:15 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Makes sense to me - nice read
Posted on 6/26/20 at 1:36 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Democrats are using the mask rules to break opposition to their dictats. It’s not about health, or safety, it’s about forcing you to bend.
Talk about victim mentality...
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:37 pm to Steadmans Cheddar
You people are an embarrassment. You are not the men your fathers were, and lord, if they should see you now.
For shame.
For shame.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Refusing to wear masks in ANY circumstance is a sign of derangement at this point.
So, if a person has a health condition that a mask would worsen, and definitely isn't sick is deranged?
Interdasting...
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:44 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Right, that's exactly what I meant. No exceptions for medical conditions that would be worsened.
So, if a person has a health condition that a mask would worsen, and definitely isn't sick is deranged?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:46 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Right, that's exactly what I meant. No exceptions for medical conditions that would be worsened.
You were the one who posted "any circumstance" and, just for good measure, capitalized "ANY", my brother.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:
You people are an embarrassment.
No. This is an embarrassment:
quote:
Democrats are using the mask rules to break opposition to their dictats.
It’s not about health, or safety, it’s about forcing you to bend.
So opposition is entirely warranted. It’s perhaps the one thing normal people can do, to resist.
Mask rules also subject Americans to institutionalized fear. Which is hugely corrosive.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:48 pm to ThinePreparedAni
quote:
Below has made me lean towards wearing one when in close proximity to others
Go read the actual studies with data. Do not wear disposable medical masks or cloth masks.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 2:49 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I wouldn't have expected someone of your age and history to put such a big value on being "cute"...but here we are.
You were the one who posted "any circumstance" and, just for good measure, capitalized "ANY", my brother.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 3:07 pm to Powerman
Weak men are functionally useless, they are incapable of action when it’s required.
Worse, because they are weak, they resort to indirect and passive aggressive behavior. In a crisis, it’s actually dangerous. They will turn and run, instead of doing their job.
Worse, because they are weak, they resort to indirect and passive aggressive behavior. In a crisis, it’s actually dangerous. They will turn and run, instead of doing their job.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:09 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:hey Skippy. i am one of Hillary's deplorables. also, a racist according to liberals and commies, (people like you)
Refusing to wear masks in ANY circumstance is a sign of derangement at this point.
went to a Sally's beauty supply today and was asked if i had a mask that i needed to put it on. i did not have a mask on me.
i requested they go fetch the item i came in the store for and was told i could call on the phone and they could give me a curb-side sale.
i went to my truck got a mask and re-entered the store with the mask in hand.
was asked to put the mask on my face. i walked past the attendant headed up the isle to find the item was sold out.
walked past the attendant and stated the item was sold out.
em i ain't playing by their rules anymore.
next time i enter a store i will be deaf and mute.
i'll use sign language.
Geaux Trump
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:21 pm to ThinePreparedAni
Yeah, maybe we avoid destructive intervention of the state (stay at home) by masking and avoiding a big increase in cases.
NNT would piss on your screwball conspiracy brain.
NNT would piss on your screwball conspiracy brain.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:41 am to ThinePreparedAni
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:44 am to ThinePreparedAni
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The WHO, CDC and other bureaucracies initially failed to quickly realize that the benefits of masks compound, simply because two people are wearing them and you have to look at the interaction.
The CDC gambled in March with their “masks don’t make a difference unless you’re in a hospital.” They’re losing now because of that initial lie. I’m fine with that.
They knew it was a lie and they manipulated the narrative to work the supply chain. So frick em.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 8:51 am to ThinePreparedAni
Models, models, models - fake
Beds, beds, beds - fake
Vents, Vents, Vents - fake
Lock downs - fake
Social distancing - fake
Masks, masks, masks - fake
Testing, testing, test - fake
Now they're down to recycling the fake news for another round of nonsense. For the record, in certain environments and proper equipment and policies some of these can be useful, but not in the general public.
Beds, beds, beds - fake
Vents, Vents, Vents - fake
Lock downs - fake
Social distancing - fake
Masks, masks, masks - fake
Testing, testing, test - fake
Now they're down to recycling the fake news for another round of nonsense. For the record, in certain environments and proper equipment and policies some of these can be useful, but not in the general public.
Posted on 7/12/20 at 9:31 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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For the record, in certain environments and proper equipment and policies some of these can be useful, but not in the general public.
Amen. Any useful tool in the wrong hands creates a hazard.
In this case an ignorant population wearing ill fitting, improperly handled, filthy disgusting masks.
The focus should be on clean hands and not touching your face. Those things are much more important.
However, those things do not offer the visuals the politicians and Karen's desire.
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