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Roaad
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Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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I am not anti-vax (I am pfizer double jabbed). I am anti-mandate, anti-totalitarian.

I have ALWAYS said the vax is probably good, but it is still reasonable to have apprehension for something rushed through, with immunity from lawsuits. . .and being told you have to take it or we starve your kids and render you homeless.

Suspicion seems apt.

Now that said, this seems like a big deal:

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In a paper recently uploaded to the preprint server medRxiv*, a risk-benefit analysis was undertaken utilizing data collected from the vaccine adverse event reporting system (VAERS) relating to adolescents having received an mRNA vaccine before June 18th 2021. The findings suggested that an alternative vaccination schedule may be most appropriate for males in this age group.

A preprint version of the study is available on the medRxiv* server while the article undergoes peer review.

What proportion of children receiving the vaccine experienced myocarditis?

The group searched the VAERS database for symptoms including "myocarditis," "pericarditis," "myopericarditis," or "chest pain," with the requirement that laboratory data were available with the individual's troponin levels. In total, 257 reports fitting the criteria were gathered, 25 of which were regarding females, and all but one had received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Following the second dose of the vaccine, the group found a 162.2 per million incidence rate of cardiac adverse events in boys aged 12-15, around three times higher than estimated by the CDC. In boys aged 16-17, the group also found a higher rate than estimated by the CDC by around 40%, 94 individuals per million vaccinations. The rate of adverse events was also higher than estimated by the CDC amongst girls, 13 and 13.4 per million in those aged 12-15 or 16-17, respectively.

In individuals having received only one dose of the vaccine, adverse event rates were much lower in all groups, 12 and 8.2 per million in boys aged 12-15 and 16-17, respectively. The rate was similarly reduced in girls, with no risk of adverse events in those aged 12-15 and only 2 per million in 16-17-year-olds. The group found that 15% of adverse events occurred following the first dose of the vaccine, with the majority after the second. Most adverse events occurred two days after vaccination, with 91.5% occurring within
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Lou Pai
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
But we should shut down CFB over COVID causing that for athletes.


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Big Scrub TX
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
What's the rate among those who actually contract Covid? Last year, when the Big 10 and Pac 12 canceled/delayed the season due to myocarditis concerns, the board lost its shite. So...more or less than that?


Madking
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
It will never be confirmed you know that. Just like Hank Aaron and Marvin Hagler dying from the Vax will never be confirmed though in Haglers case it was for a short time until big tech erased all the evidence.


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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
What about j&j?


boogiewoogie1978
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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Marvin Hagler dying from the Vax will never be confirmed though in Haglers case it was for a short time until big tech erased all the evidence.

Conspiracy much?


Madking
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Lol looks like you know zero about the events that led to his death. But go ahead and continue working for your masters. I hope you’re paid well but I know you don’t get a dime. You’re basically Stalin’s chicken.


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yallallcrazy
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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What's the rate among those who actually contract Covid


There is a study that shows that 100% of a group of kids who have had Covid showed evidence of vascular endothelial injury. This was regardless of how severe the disease itself was.
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Also, the incidence of thromboembolic events is much higher in people who have had Covid, eightfold above baseline, then people who had the vaccination who had it at 1.3 times baseline.
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Now, myocarditis and vascular endothelial injury or thromboembolic events are not exactly the same, but they are all manifestations of vascular tissue inflammation.

So, as seems to consistently be the case no matter what criteria you use, the vaccine has problems but it’s better than the alternative.
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BigB123
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
To be fair, the preferred alternative is to not get the vax AND not get covid. One just has to choose between choosing to get the vax and it’s risks or rolling the dice on getting covid and it’s risks

I’m vaccinated so not anti-vax, just want to make sure the real considerations are being conveyed.


yallallcrazy
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I agree entirely. The real victory would be to have neither the vaccination for Covid, but being that Covid is going to be around for a long time that seems very unlikely.

It does come down to a choice of pick your poison in a sense. My only goal is to try to make sure people see both sides. I am on here on record saying that the powers that be have screwed the message up royally by acting like the vaccine is a perfect panacea. It is not, and those statements erode trust so they should not be made. But it is pretty clear that vaccine is better than the alternative, even for young healthy people.

The misstatements and obfuscation from both sides drives me crazy. So I was just trying to point out that the things that are being brought up as problems with the vaccine, or actually also problems with getting Covid. Yes, it has a huge survival rate. But there is also a pretty high rate of side effects after the illness, and they are higher than with the vax.




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I have ALWAYS said the vax is probably good,
if the vax were good, people with the vax wouldn't need to wear masks.

the masks clearly aren't for the unvaxed bc liberals want the unvaxed to die anyway, so once again, if the vax works, why the masks? nobody can answer that.


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BurntOrangeMan
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Conspiracy much?


The joke is on you dumb frick. Don't forget to triple mask.. save some lives like a good soy.


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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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So, as seems to consistently be the case no matter what criteria you use, the vaccine has problems but it’s better than the alternative.


I can take steps to avoid covid. There’s only about a 10% chance I’ll even get it. The jab? Not so much.


Madking
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
Nothing other than the heart attack of a 20 year old. If the myocarditis was caused by Covid it would be plastered all over the news but it wasn’t which is a sign that they don’t want to say what caused it.


Madking
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One of my parents went to get vaxed but when the Dr. found out she had a heart murmur he advised her not to even though she’s a very at risk person. We aren’t getting this kind of information and warnings from the powers that be and that’s a big problem.


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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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Following the second dose of the vaccine, the group found a 162.2 per million incidence rate of cardiac adverse events in boys aged 12-15, around three times higher than estimated by the CDC. In boys aged 16-17, the group also found a higher rate than estimated by the CDC by around 40%, 94 individuals per million vaccinations. The rate of adverse events was also higher than estimated by the CDC amongst girls, 13 and 13.4 per million in those aged 12-15 or 16-17, respectively.


Talk about the cure being worse than the disease...


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yallallcrazy
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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Here’s the relevant excerpt.

males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection.



Madking
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And you don’t? Did she not die of myocarditis? Typical hypocritical, doxing fascist trying to suppress the truth with threats.
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Tigahs24Seven
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re: Myocarditis rates among teen and young adult male, who take Pfizer/Moderna
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Here’s the relevant excerpt.

males aged 12 to 17 were most likely to develop myocarditis within three months of catching covid-19, at a rate of about 450 cases per million infections.

This compares with 67 cases of myocarditis per million males of the same age following their second dose of a Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, according to figures from the US Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Researchers added together cases after first and second doses to reach a total rate of 77 cases per million in this male age group triggered by vaccination, a sixth that seen after infection.


What happens after they had Covid and then get a vaxx..
Or get vaxxed and then get Covid.. Any idea? Kind of scary if the answer is "I don't know" .


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