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re: My hero Javier Milei releases lengthy statement on tariffs

Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:54 pm to
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So other countries tarriffing our products made us as a country wealthier?


No, us buying cheap components has made us wealthier.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:55 pm to
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Just more to tariffs than free trade.
You can't say that.


Absolutely can.

Protectionist policies destroy innovation.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55407 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

Hasnt been relative since we went off the gold standard.


And a market backed by stocks/bonds/speculation is more or less risky than one backed by tangible assets?

quote:

Small business buys imported components, assembles a finished product and sells in the USA. Creates jobs and wealth.


And what if all/most components were manufactured and assembled in the USA? Profit potential and wealth potential for the united states increases. Why do you want to limit American potential? How does that benefit America?

And you still haven;t addressed the entire post, try YET AGAIN:



The market is doing what the market does. And the market dictates that all things being equal, if price point is not, then those with the lower price are at an advantage.

Let's take Canada for example. They have tariffs/VAT on our goods. We announce a 25% retaliatory tariff. Trade with the US amounts to 29% of Canada's entire GDP. Trade with Canada amounts to less than 2% of American GDP. We have the advantage and Canada will absolutely acquiesce because they cannot afford this trade war. We can weather the storm much easier seeing as we have multiple trade partners around the world and we produce similar goods domestically.

So why are you against this tariff with Canada, if they have shown no will up to this point, to reduce their own tariffs on our goods?



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Wealth is no longer static like you people think it is. Its no zero sum game anymore.


Awesome straw man, but unfortunately for you, i never argued this.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1382 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

No, us buying cheap components has made us wealthier.


Exactly how does another country tarriffing our goods cause the component prices to decrease?

Seems more likely that foreign countries use slave labor to create those components and you like benefitting from slaves doing work, as long as you get your components cheap.
Posted by AUCom96
Alabama
Member since May 2020
6111 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:58 pm to
Markets aren't being "opened". They are being controlled by global monopolies through the resource and labor power created by tyranny, war and mass poverty. This idea that a developed nation can survive purely off a consumer culture propped up with massive debt of monopoly money could be rudely interrupted by China's eventual economic and military ascendency or a handful of uncontrolled revolutions.

There's a difference between "free trade" and what our global economy has devolved into. It's not "protectionism", it's trying to repair the health of our nation.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:58 pm to
quote:


And a market backed by stocks/bonds/speculation is more or less risky than one backed by tangible assets?


Its not coming back, dude. You need to evolve with the rest of us.

Trumps living a mercantilist existence and you people are willing to believe it, without doing ANY research whatsoever.

You can argue with me until your fingers fall off, but you'll still be wrong.

Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
16232 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

I am all for free trade. When the countries we export to quit putting tariffs on our products and quit manipulating currency values then we can do the same. Until then we have no other choice. Trade deficits are killing us.


The same old knuckleheads around here cannot fathom this. They are fine with predatory tariffs, VAT and the like but God forbid the US wanting to stop getting taken advantage of, that is taking it too for far for the ideologues.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:59 pm to

Exactly how does another country tarriffing our goods cause the component prices to decrease?

Thats retarded You cant even follow simple sentences.

Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
17091 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Protectionist policies destroy innovation.


Oh wow, you really don't understand what you're talking about.

Y'all carry on.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:02 pm
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55407 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:03 pm to
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I'm thrilled personally. My life is good.

I dont feel for those left behind, they had the same chance to evolve as we did.


Yet you feel for "poorer countries"?

We aren't discussing personal decisions. I'm sure driving a tour bus in Alaska is fulfillment. And under the Bush/Obama/Biden regime you were also allowed to prosper. Good for you. But as i've stated many times, imagine what this country could achieve if all of the handcuffs big government imposed upon the people, were removed? We started seeing that before covid, under Trump. We will see it again.

And while YOU are satisfied with business as usual, the country was not. I'm not elderly like you, so i still have a lot more earning potential in my retirement, so does millions of others. They'd rather not see that potential pissed away because some old boomer is happy with the status quo.

This comment from you tells us a lot about you.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1382 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Exactly how does another country tarriffing our goods cause the component prices to decrease? Thats retarded You cant even follow simple sentences.


You are arguing against removing tarriffs that other countries put on us. Ones that I want to bust the other countries in the chops and remove. You're telling me that we are better off. I just want to know what the tarriff imposed by another country is doing to make me and my country better off. Maybe you just tried to move the goal post.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
16625 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

What if they don't have a tariff on our products, they just produce something a lot cheaper because their labor is so cheap?

Then it would depend on a cost/benefit evaluation with regard to the number of jobs and positive economic benefit the projected tariff would create relative to the potential negative pass along costs to consumers.

The US has advantages of scale and other factors, our trade policy should always reflect what’s in the best interest from an economic impact standpoint for the US taxpayers.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55407 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

Its not coming back, dude. You need to evolve with the rest of us.


Well, if that's your answer, then i can say the same. Retaliatory tariffs are here to stay. It's the correct response, so you just need to evolve.

quote:

Trumps living a mercantilist existence and you people are willing to believe it, without doing ANY research whatsoever.


Cool, you just need to evolve. Your way is dying. Sorry. American exceptionalism will be good for the rest of us. Sorry, not so much for you.

quote:

You can argue with me until your fingers fall off, but you'll still be wrong.


Imagine being so pompous to make this statement, knowing these tariffs will cause our partners to lower theirs. You've devolved yourself into a selfish, pompous, bitter old man with hate in his heart, because he let politics control his life. Sounds like so many people on here you hate so much.




Again, stop ignoring this. I know why you are, because your retort will fail:

And what if all/most components were manufactured and assembled in the USA? Profit potential and wealth potential for the united states increases. Why do you want to limit American potential? How does that benefit America?

And you still haven;t addressed the entire post, try YET AGAIN:



The market is doing what the market does. And the market dictates that all things being equal, if price point is not, then those with the lower price are at an advantage.

Let's take Canada for example. They have tariffs/VAT on our goods. We announce a 25% retaliatory tariff. Trade with the US amounts to 29% of Canada's entire GDP. Trade with Canada amounts to less than 2% of American GDP. We have the advantage and Canada will absolutely acquiesce because they cannot afford this trade war. We can weather the storm much easier seeing as we have multiple trade partners around the world and we produce similar goods domestically.

So why are you against this tariff with Canada, if they have shown no will up to this point, to reduce their own tariffs on our goods?
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
1382 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

policy should always reflect what’s in the best interest from an economic impact standpoint for the US taxpayers.
Posted by LSUbest
Coastal Plain
Member since Aug 2007
13148 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:10 pm to
I see his point, but I doubt that his trade partners are hitting him with 250% tariffs.

And if they were, Argentine companies wouldn't be selling their products to 8 billion people around the globe.

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
25240 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Then it would depend on a cost/benefit evaluation with regard to the number of jobs and positive economic benefit the projected tariff would create relative to the potential negative pass along costs to consumers.



In other words, a tariff doesn't have to be reciprocal.

Tariffs don't create a positive economic benefit for the country as a whole unless you consider the government collecting more taxes an economic benefit.

quote:

The US has advantages of scale and other factors, our trade policy should always reflect what’s in the best interest from an economic impact standpoint for the US taxpayers.

The US taxpayers that sell the subsidized widget of the group of taxpayers that pay a higher price for the subsidized widget?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:11 pm to
quote:


Oh wow, you really don't understand what you're talking about.



LINK

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But protectionism has dire consequences for long-term economic growth, warn University of Chicago’s Ufuk Akcigit, Sina T. Ates of the Federal Reserve Board, and University of Nottingham’s Giammario Impullitti, who find that protectionist policies discourage innovation by domestic companies, and thereby hamper growth.


I see you didnt learn anything from Japan's reaction to protectionism here, in the 1980s.

“When you close your borders, you’re removing the international competitive pressure on your firms, so they don’t need to upgrade their technologies anymore,” says Akcigit. “As a result, they don’t need to invest that much in R&D, and that’s why you have less innovation in the longer run and less economic growth in the long run.”
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

Retaliatory tariffs are here to stay. It's


And you;ll be poorer, with fewer choices.

But Praise Trump!
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55407 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

You are arguing against removing tarriffs that other countries put on us. Ones that I want to bust the other countries in the chops and remove. You're telling me that we are better off. I just want to know what the tarriff imposed by another country is doing to make me and my country better off. Maybe you just tried to move the goal post.


Save it. We know who he is.

Bitter old man, who is semi-retired. He's content in his, and only his, station in life. The status quo was good for him. Change in status quo, however, will yield great results for the rest of us, and maybe that's why he doesn't like it. Because then, by comparison, he won't be as "successful" as he thinks he is. And he acts this way knowing that his grandchildren, if not for Trump, would be imprisoned by the status quo for the rest of their lives. The bitterness in his response makes it sound like he voted for Harris.

Well Roger, did you vote for Trump? Or did your bitterness not allow that to happen?
Posted by Aubie Spr96
lolwut?
Member since Dec 2009
43203 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:13 pm to
I'd love and American free trade zone for goods and workers from pole to pole.
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