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re: My friend's cousins are stranded in Kabul
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:24 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:24 pm to FooManChoo
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Maybe I'm simply unware, but does that happen? Do we send troops in specifically for the missionaries? I didn't think we did. I thought that if anyone was sent in to rescue people, it was a general call to the people to evacuate and whoever doesn't come gets left behind. Maybe I'm just ignorant of how that works so feel free to educate me, but missionaries typically accept the risk and aren't expecting a rescue mission other than what may otherwise be expected for the general population.
Maybe not. I'm certainly no expert. I'm fairly certain that we didn't leave any troops there when we pulled out, so who exactly are we going back there to save, if it isn't missionaries and the like? Contractors? I would think military contractors would be pretty squared away on exit plans, if not enough weaponry to defend themselves and a thousand of their closest friends. So who is the $500,000,000 and 3000 troops for, if not missionary types?
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Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:37 pm to troyt37
quote:I think the point of concern for the withdrawal in Afghanistan was that it was rushed and didn't properly account for those who may have wanted to leave. It's been said multiple times that there are/were 10,000 or so Americans in Afghanistan that were waiting on evacuation. I highly doubt even 1% of those are missionaries. So whoever they are, there are reasons for being there and I don't think missionaries are being targeted specifically for evacuation.
Maybe not. I'm certainly no expert. I'm fairly certain that we didn't leave any troops there when we pulled out, so who exactly are we going back there to save, if it isn't missionaries and the like? Contractors? I would think military contractors would be pretty squared away on exit plans, if not enough weaponry to defend themselves and a thousand of their closest friends. So who is the $500,000,000 and 3000 troops for, if not missionary types?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:40 pm to tigerterrace
quote:Being willing to take a risk to do good doesn't mean that they "deserve" being martyred for it.
Anybody that does this type of missionary BS deserves what happens. There are people to save in this country without having to go to Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan or North Korea.
Also, there are billions of people all over the world. While Christianity is still common here in the U.S., it's not so common elsewhere. Missionaries are needed everywhere.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:45 pm to ShoeBang
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That being said, claiming to be christian and also claiming that your religion has no ties to the catholic church is just intellectually dishonest no?
The fact that the religions split getting on 500 years ago doesn't matter? Very Catholic-centric. That's like telling French or the Brits that they have ties to the Nazis, isn't it? I mean wasn't the Protestant movement a rejection and rebuke of Catholicism?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:52 pm to troyt37
It matters to me when people who claim to follow Jesus hate other Christians because they love the same Jesus as if the two are fundamentally different when they are not
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:53 pm to troyt37
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Brits that they have ties to the Nazis
The royal family does from what I understand of their beliefs and genealogy. I’m probably wrong on that one but I’ve read interesting articles on it
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:56 pm to Northwestern tiger
Their commission takes them to the belly of the beast. You dont go to a church to gain souls, you go to the worst places.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 12:58 pm to Swoopin
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Seems the edge lords are out in full force.
Best of luck to your friend's cousin/wife. Imagine its extremely scary for them.
This mindset is a major issue with the Right. Half of you are completely brainwashed into being offended by anyone who points out anything resembling an uncomfortable truth. The “nice guy high road Republican” shite needs to end
No one is an edgelord for pointing out that it’s not simply “scary for them”, and you’re separated from reality if you think it’s comparable to watching a horror movie or something. They’re trapped in a terrorist-animal-ridden country and they’re going to die horrific deaths if they don’t get out. It is what it is, I hope they return safely but they’re in about as bad of a position as a civilian can be in.
The fact that so many people are willfully ignorant or quiet about how horrific of a place most countries are is why our youth feels that socialism is the direction we need to go in.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:00 pm to ShoeBang
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It matters to me when people who claim to follow Jesus hate other Christians because they love the same Jesus as if the two are fundamentally different when they are not
I am probably painted with that brush, as I am often in some of the Catholic threads. I think many Catholics view calling out some of the more outlandish and egregious bullshittery of the Catholic Church as hate. I think many more people hate Catholicism, not Catholics.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:10 pm to troyt37
I am in no way defending the church here if that was not clear. Just pointing out hypocrisy of Catholic hate. I have a myriad of issues with the church
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:21 pm to ShoeBang
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I am in no way defending the church here if that was not clear. Just pointing out hypocrisy of Catholic hate. I have a myriad of issues with the church
And i was raised a Baptist who was taught that the wine spoken of in the Bible was non-alcoholic, and just ignore all those passages you read about drunks and drunkenness. When I grew up, it made me realize that my religion was standing in the way of my faith.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:24 pm to burger bearcat
Hopefully they can do the Lord's work with Fearless Faith. I pray they'll not bend the knee even if faced with death.
Ezekiel 22:30 defines most on this board.
Ezekiel 22:30 defines most on this board.
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:31 pm to troyt37
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Christians should not even defend themselves.
If you've read the Bible at all, you should know that Christians don't win this war.
Jesus could have defended himself. He could've come down off that cross, but He came to be a blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin for everyone living and everyone that would live in the future.
Self defense is a human, visceral response to attack. Don't get it twisted with Holiness or Godliness.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:31 pm to troyt37
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Christians should not even defend themselves.
If you've read the Bible at all, you should know that Christians don't win this war.
Jesus could have defended himself. He could've come down off that cross, but He came to be a blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin for everyone living and everyone that would live in the future.
Self defense is a human, visceral response to attack. Don't get it twisted with Holiness or Godliness.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:32 pm to burger bearcat
I pray they get out with their lives and all of their limbs intact. The world needs good people like them spreading the Gospel of God everywhere.
But I don't have any sympathy for the fact that they are in insane danger right now. They knew the risks of going to Afghanistan and still did it anyway. If they die, mourn them and but don't bemoan the evil that took them as it is what it is.
But I don't have any sympathy for the fact that they are in insane danger right now. They knew the risks of going to Afghanistan and still did it anyway. If they die, mourn them and but don't bemoan the evil that took them as it is what it is.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:45 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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If you've read the Bible at all, you should know that Christians don't win this war.
This one confuses me a little. I think those who have faith in Jesus come out pretty good in the end.
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Self defense is a human, visceral response to attack. Don't get it twisted with Holiness or Godliness.
God defended His people over and over in the Bible. I'm of a mind that as a father and a Christian, defending the lives my family, myself and others, is exactly what He would want me to do. Doesn't make me holy or godly, but certainly observant and obedient.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:52 pm to burger bearcat
quote:Missionaries are the worst. We could get every troop and citizen out of the country and there would still be missionaries trying to sneak in and convert people.
Just got word that my wife and I good friend's cousin and his wife are both missionary workers who are stranded in Kabul and no one has been able to reach them. What a terrible situation.
The US announced it was leaving a year ago. Any private citizen had plenty of time to leave.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:53 pm to burger bearcat
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Just got word that my wife and I good friend's cousin and his wife are both missionary workers who are stranded in Kabul and no one has been able to reach them. What a terrible situation.
That's terrible.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:54 pm to mmcgrath
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Missionaries are the worst. We could get every troop and citizen out of the country and there would still be missionaries trying to sneak in and convert people.
The US announced it was leaving a year ago. Any private citizen had plenty of time to leave.
Man I just can't imagine how much of a loser someone would have to be to hold this opinion on what is going down in Afghanistan.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 1:59 pm to mmcgrath
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Missionaries are the worst. We could get every troop and citizen out of the country and there would still be missionaries trying to sneak in and convert people.
I am sorry but you have to have something of a death wish to go into Afghanistan to convert people to Christianity.
Like that fool who went to those off limit islands with the cannibals and was promptly killed
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