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re: Murderers can't even get 50 votes to codify Roe v. Wade
Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:26 pm to AggieHank86
Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:26 pm to AggieHank86
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Read the Bill. The authors of those articles are biased and lying to you
I will grant you the point on their biases- i find on the subject of abortion, true objectivity is hard to find bc it’s a highly emotional debate for either side and subjectivity bleeds in
From the excerpts you have posted, i don’t accept your point on them lying though.
Your excerpts mentioned- life and health of the mother being an exception - and yes, that’s a grave concern - but damn that’s a vague phrase - i mean, we have four children - pregnancy was hard AF on my wife and it has altered her health tremendously…can that be a reason to abort a healthy baby at 40wks ? Law is kinda vague
And speaking to a baby who won’t make it to “viability” - (right now, probably around 22wks)..isn’t that really known around 20wks ? Why is that baby still in the womb at 40wks?
And if there a true concern of mother’s life after viability…won’t a C-section provide the chance for life of the mother and baby? Thus accommodating the goal of the mothers health?
I think the vagueness allows for prolife subjectivity
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:33 pm to TigerFanatic99
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Same Manchin. The bill Schumer actually put forward was way, way too extreme for even them to support.
DO you think he did not know that? This was political theater.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 10:44 pm to CountryVolFan
I appreciate Manchin standing up for what is right.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:31 pm to Placekicker
It's all for show. Democrats ask for the impossible, like full term abortions, as a negotiating tactic to "meet in the middle". Sorry arse RINOs will probably agree to a 20-26 week abortions and think it's a win.
It's getting to the point where all politicians, left and right, are fricking sorry pieces of shite
It's getting to the point where all politicians, left and right, are fricking sorry pieces of shite
Posted on 5/11/22 at 11:47 pm to jamboybarry
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frick U. Schumer
Truly the vilest of human scum. Should be cut into pieces slowly.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 12:30 am to TDsngumbo
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Manchin is more powerful than Biden and is about to get paid in some way or another.
About to? Corn Pop thought he could buy Manchin off with this appointment……
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/04/29/wife-of-powerful-sen-joe-manchin-unanimously-confirmed-by-senate-to-commission/?sh=79cd9d643e85
Posted on 5/12/22 at 6:19 am to udtiger
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You mean the Rev.?
More like false prophet.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 6:38 am to 850SaintsGator
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I wonder if this hurt the GA Senator…
You mean the "pro-abortion minister"?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:02 am to AggieHank86
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A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements: ...
(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.
(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.
I think you’ve misread the bill. Clauses 8 and 9 are not saying those are actually prohibitions and limitations to abortions…..if you read the part I’ve emboldened, those are limitations that would no longer be in play had the bill passed. No?
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 7:15 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:07 am to CountryVolFan
What is the point? What would such legislation do? There's no constitutional right to baby killing.
So 1) federal legislation on it would amount to non criminalizing it from a federal government perspective, or 2) it's an attempt to force baby killing on the states, and if so what is the mechanism? The horrid Interstate Commerce clause?Otherwise, would we not need a full on constitutional amendment to inject a right of baby killing?
So 1) federal legislation on it would amount to non criminalizing it from a federal government perspective, or 2) it's an attempt to force baby killing on the states, and if so what is the mechanism? The horrid Interstate Commerce clause?Otherwise, would we not need a full on constitutional amendment to inject a right of baby killing?
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:09 am to 850SaintsGator
quote:Thanks for the REASONABLE response.
From the excerpts you have posted, i don’t accept your point on them lying though.
As to the point quoted above, we will just have to agree to disagree. The "medical necessity" limitation clearly IS written into the Bill, regardless of how effective one might think it will be as a shield against elective late-term abortion. The biased voices who are shouting "without limitation until birth" (at least some of them) KNOW that it is there, yet still make affirmatively-false assertions, because it is easier to lie than to try to convince the bulk of the American populous that physicians are going to ignore the law.
Perhaps we will speak again in the future. I hope so, because it is always nice to see another poster with a sense of decorum.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:11 am to CountryVolFan
I know people who scream that Manchin is the Democrat's version of McCain. I keep telling them that comparison would only make sense if Manchin heavily campaigned on getting rid of all abortion restrictions by any means necessary.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:20 am to TDsngumbo
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Manchin is more powerful than Biden and is about to get paid in some way or another.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:35 am to HonoraryCoonass
quote:No.
I think you’ve misread the bill. Clauses 8 and 9 are not saying those are actually prohibitions and limitations to abortions…..if you read the part I’ve emboldened, those are limitations that would no longer be in play had the bill passed. No?
Congress could not write a Bill in English to save its own life. In English, rather than Legalese, the Bill says
quote:IOW, it says that States would not be able to impose any of those limitations or prohibitions. E.g., states could not prohibit pre-viability abortion at all or medical necessity abortion thereafter.
Doctors may perform (and their patients may have) abortion services, without any of the following limitations (usually imposed by Red states):
(1-2) state requirements for unnecessary medical tests;
(3) state requirements that the doctor provide pamphlets containing political propaganda;
(4) state limitations on the doctor's ability to prescribe drugs (probably a reference to Plan B);
(5) state prohibitions against telemedicine (not sure how one gets a telemedicine abortion);
(6) state requirements regarding physical office equipment or hospital admitting privileges;
(7) state requirements for multiple, unnecessary trips to the abortion facility;
(8) state prohibitions against any pre-viability abortions,
(9) state prohibitions post-viability abortions, when the MD thinks it is medically-necessary (by implication, states WOULD be able to limit elective post-viability abortion);
(10) state requirements for waiting periods;
(11) state requirements that the patient explain why she is seeking an abortion;
Because the Bill failed and Roe seems likely to fall, states WOULD be able to impose such requirements, limitations and prohibitions.
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 8:18 am
Posted on 5/12/22 at 7:44 am to CountryVolFan
Manshin run Bartertown!
Say Louder!!
Say Louder!!
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