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re: Most common drugs should be completely legal
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:22 pm to BeepNode
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:22 pm to BeepNode
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Cocaine, many opioids, shrooms, and especially DMT should all be legal when produced by legitimate businesses that have their products tested.
Your war on drugs doesn't work and never has. It's anti-freedom, very expensive, and creates conditions that leads to impure drugs that are dangerous.
Added benefit is that full legalization would severely hurt the Mexican drug cartels and would make our neighbor to the South a better neighbor that possibly is sending fewer people over.
Why don't "small government conservatives" get this?
You are right about the war on drugs not working. However Oregon has proven that legalizing them does not work either. The only effective solution I can think of is euthenasia for those who lack the common sense not to get involved with them in the first place. [activate sarcasm font here] However that solution also has a few moral and ethical complications to it as well. [deactivate sarcasm font here]
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Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:33 pm to BeepNode
I think a lot of drugs should be legal, but opioids isn’t one of them. Legal opioids led to a lot of current suffering in this country
Posted on 10/30/23 at 5:39 pm to MAADFACTS
cocaine is mostly used by a lot of elites and none of them are going to jail for it. Same with shrooms in Silicon Valley. The reason we don’t decriminalize drugs is that it’s traditionally been an easy way to lock up homeless people and hooligans without having to catch them in a crime (other than possessing an illegal substance). Of course now we don’t do that either so they only remain criminal in the case that we catch you committing another crime while on them so we can compound your sentence. Basically if you want to smoke DMT in your living room, no one is going to kick down the door and arrest you. And if you use it as part of an indigenous religious ceremony it’s not even illegal
Posted on 10/30/23 at 6:18 pm to BeepNode
Sure, let’s just turn the rest of the country into shitholes like San Fran and Portland.
Why don’t you try being honest about what you really want instead of hiding behind the war on drugs platitude? I’ll say it for you. You just want to get and stay fricked up. Any other reason is complete bullshite.
Why don’t you try being honest about what you really want instead of hiding behind the war on drugs platitude? I’ll say it for you. You just want to get and stay fricked up. Any other reason is complete bullshite.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:14 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:This is muddled and mostly backwards.
Umm, yes. Almost every single one.
Keep and bear arms isn't the right to murder.
Travel the country freely isn't the right to speed/drink and rive/text/facebook and kill/injure/endanger others.
Privacy and free enjoyment of my property isn't the right to make a nuisance or even greater problems for my neighbors
We wouldn't say 2nd Amendment rights are contingent on agreeing to some other terms before they are granted by the government.
Rather, we would say they are inherent rights - recognized by government. And to the extent a law is broken adjacent to the use of firearms, then the plaintiff is culpable for that under that framework.
In your construct, it would be: yes, adult American citizen - you may have the right to arm yourself...so long as you agree to the following things in advance.
All of this drug stuff is done from the perspective of the adult having no right to his own body.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 9:37 pm to Big Scrub TX
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All of this drug stuff is done from the perspective of the adult having no right to his own body.
How utterly simplistic. Laws are formulated in part due to the externalization of social costs from the individual. Drug users are a net drain on society. (Cue the “I smoke pot and I’m a lawyer” folks.) They cost society in a million different ways.
You can argue that they don’t, but you would be wrong.
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:05 pm to the808bass
quote:Same with guns, but I'll bet many people on here aren't willing to run the same calculus.
How utterly simplistic. Laws are formulated in part due to the externalization of social costs from the individual. Drug users are a net drain on society. (Cue the “I smoke pot and I’m a lawyer” folks.) They cost society in a million different ways.
You can argue that they don’t, but you would be wrong.
quote:I'm willing to believe that they are, but neither you nor I actually knows. I mean, unless you're including alcohol, then it seems crystal clear they are. And it's legal!
Drug users are a net drain on society.
ETA: Your post seems to say there are no actual first principles - rather, everything is just on a risk/reward continuum.
This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 10/30/23 at 10:32 pm to Robin Masters
quote:POTY candidate
Most people don’t really want to be free.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 3:01 am to BeepNode
I've always been for the legalization of drugs. And prostitution. Especially prostitution. As long as adult women want to sell pussy to other adults... let them sell it. At least it would give the ol prostitutes a somewhat safer environment.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 7:23 am to FearlessFreep
quote:quote:
Most people don’t really want to be free.
quote:
POTY candidate
Yeah, freedom is, ultimately, pretty scary. It's walking a tightrope without a net. At the end of the day, modern Western folks who have been coddled to the Nth degree since birth simply cannot handle the anxiety with legit freedom and all that goes with that.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:14 am to Big Scrub TX
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Same with guns, but I'll bet many people on here aren't willing to run the same calculus.
Guns are protected by the second amendment to the US constitution. Drugs are not.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:17 am to Big Scrub TX
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Same with guns
"What is the second amendment?"
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:18 am to Plx1776
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I've always been for the legalization of drugs. And prostitution. Especially prostitution. As long as adult women want to sell pussy to other adults... let them sell it. At least it would give the ol prostitutes a somewhat safer environment.
Illegal drugs are a 150 billion dollar economy in this country, prohibition is a total failure.
Were spending trillions just to save a few junkies that will revert.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:28 am to Zach
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That is, NO govt programs for rehab. If you can't function because of drug use, then go find a street corner and die. It will be a good lesson for the children walking by.
Except thats not what happens.
They destroy their families.
Then they start committing crimes to support their habit.
That then contributes to the destruction of their community as they sleep on park benches and break into cars.
Its not as simple as "if they die they die."
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Illegal drugs are a 150 billion dollar economy in this country, prohibition is a total failure.
Were spending trillions just to save a few junkies that will revert.
We could as an alternative to our current system sell pharmaceutical grade drugs to users who would be taxed on the sale.
That in and of itself would eliminate many overdoses from fentanyl while generating tax revenue and cutting out the cartels.
This could go along with absolutely draconian laws related to selling drugs, particularly to minors which would lead to an overall reduction in crime as the likely perps would be locked up.
The treatment side of things would be trickier, but at least 17 year olds wouldn't be dying from fentanyl poisoning the first or second time they tried coke at a party.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:40 am to the808bass
quote:I couldn't care less what other people put in their bodies so long as it doesn't cost me a dime from a healthcare standpoint and they stay off of the highways. Unfortunately, neither of those will ever happen.
You can argue that they don’t, but you would be wrong.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 8:50 am to teamjackson
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Very Christian of you with that statement. I'm sure Jesus Christ would approve of that message.
I'm sure Jesus approves your message of hate and soft bigotry.
This post was edited on 10/31/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:23 am to Riverside
your a little late for that, because 70% drug user's are already getting all of those benefits. My wife worked at long term mental health/drug addiction facility for 2yrs. 95% of their clients rehab is paid for by the govt thru various programs.
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:26 am to hawkeye007
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My wife worked at long term mental health/drug addiction facility for 2yrs. 95% of their clients rehab is paid for by the govt thru various programs.
All public money to rehab should end.
Legalize drugs, stop funding the revolving door, end resuscitations and the drug issue clears itself up in a few short years..
Posted on 10/31/23 at 10:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
the whole system is broken, its just a cash cow for major companies to milk the federal system of drug addiction. The worst part is when they spend 6 months getting sober to be released to a half way house that takes 1/2 of their income to live in a shitty drug invested neighborhood. the system is set up for them to fail and start all over.
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