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Most annoying thing about the poverty debate in America/other 1st world nations
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:12 pm
in wealthy industrialized countries, we seem to forget that poverty is a legal creation, not an objective state of being. Different people have different definitions of what material insecurity is, past a certain bare bones point.
So when a slimy left wing turd says "nobody in America who works full time should live in poverty, what he is really saying is "nobody who works full time in America should earn an income below the arbitrary line that a government bureaucrat believes signifies material insecurity"
Poverty in Ameriva is not a measure of well being, it is a measure of how many people live below a legal definition, a legal definition that really has nothing at all to do with actual material lack of means.
Soooooo many people forget that.
So when a slimy left wing turd says "nobody in America who works full time should live in poverty, what he is really saying is "nobody who works full time in America should earn an income below the arbitrary line that a government bureaucrat believes signifies material insecurity"
Poverty in Ameriva is not a measure of well being, it is a measure of how many people live below a legal definition, a legal definition that really has nothing at all to do with actual material lack of means.
Soooooo many people forget that.
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Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
We have 50 million starving kids in America we should them first.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:18 pm to Tdawg24
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We have 50 million starving kids in America we should them first.
I agree. We should them first.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:20 pm to MrSpock
If we don't them, who will them?
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:23 pm to ballscaster
I feel like this is a pizza conversation lol
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:You're correct, but almost every concept and categorization is a construction. Some (taxonomy) have a systematic basis dependent on clear rules and evidence, some are based on somewhat arbitrary but evidence based criteria that vary in objectivity (medical and psychological diagnoses), and some are completely arbitrary and subjective (sports fanhood).
we seem to forget that poverty is a legal creation, not an objective state of being.
quote:It may not be a measure of well-being but it's strongly related to it in many senses, especially in the extemes.
Poverty in Ameriva is not a measure of well being
quote:So it appears your issue is more the arbitrary nature of the definition and cut-off, not that the theoretical basis of poverty?
a legal definition that really has nothing at all to do with actual material lack of means.
I agree that it can be problematic, but that doesn't mean it's not without merit, especially as one moves further from the "line." The issue is worse around the cut-off, where the implications and manifestations are far less black and white.
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:28 pm to ballscaster
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If we don't them, who will them?
Them cant them for themselves. We must them them.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:31 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
For me, tend to believe a lot of the debate is horse shat. Has more to do with priorities which result in not having
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:32 pm to Hester Carries
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:44 pm to Hester Carries
quote:It's "They can't them for themselves." Clearly nobody themmed you when you were growing up.
Them cant them for themselves. We must them them.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 8:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Don't poor people in every nation work?
Just because you work doesn't mean to are not allowed to be "poor." You can always get a better job, or even spend less.
Poor in America is a 3 bedroom house, 2 cars, and 3 TVs. Literally
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Obviously I don't wish poverty on anyone. But if you are able bodied, just because you have a minimum wage job doesn't mean you are entitled to live above "this" poverty line. True poverty should be helped without a doubt though.
Minimum wage should not be 15/hr. College graduates are making 15/hr in some cases looking for that next step
Increasing the minimum wage [that much] devalues those that rose above it whose wages will not increase. This hinders the "American dream," which is the ability to make any life for yourself you so choose. Not to have wealth guaranteed to you at the expense of those who strive for it
Just because you work doesn't mean to are not allowed to be "poor." You can always get a better job, or even spend less.
Poor in America is a 3 bedroom house, 2 cars, and 3 TVs. Literally
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Obviously I don't wish poverty on anyone. But if you are able bodied, just because you have a minimum wage job doesn't mean you are entitled to live above "this" poverty line. True poverty should be helped without a doubt though.
Minimum wage should not be 15/hr. College graduates are making 15/hr in some cases looking for that next step
Increasing the minimum wage [that much] devalues those that rose above it whose wages will not increase. This hinders the "American dream," which is the ability to make any life for yourself you so choose. Not to have wealth guaranteed to you at the expense of those who strive for it
This post was edited on 12/9/16 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Poverty in Ameriva is not a measure of well being, it is a measure of how many people live below a legal definition, a legal definition that really has nothing at all to do with actual material lack of means.
It is not exactly arbitrary. The poverty line is calculated by a multiplier (3x) of the cost of food plus inflation against income.
The choice of the variable (food) or the amount of multiplier may be arbitrary, but it's basically a measurement of how much food a household can purchase and have leftover funds for lodging.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 7:57 am to SEC. 593
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quote: Poverty in Ameriva is not a measure of well being, it is a measure of how many people live below a legal definition, a legal definition that really has nothing at all to do with actual material lack of means. It is not exactly arbitrary. The poverty line is calculated by a multiplier (3x) of the cost of food plus inflation against income. The choice of the variable (food) or the amount of multiplier may be arbitrary, but it's basically a measurement of how much food a household can purchase and have leftover funds for lodging.
Seems like given the facts about those "living in poverty" then we might need to rethink the formula. If you can afford much of the shite listed here, you don't need help..and that's what determining the "poverty line" results in when it comes to hovt policy.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:03 am to Tdawg24
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We have 50 million starving kids in America we should them first.
No we don't
Total Bull shite
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
when there are tribes living in the jungles of the Amazon that have not even incorporated the wheel into their culture, the term poverty as it is used today is very subjective.
1 million people on the planet starve to death on average every single year and it is largely not because of a lack of resources. it is because a lack of political will.
1 million people on the planet starve to death on average every single year and it is largely not because of a lack of resources. it is because a lack of political will.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:08 am to Lsuchs
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Obviously I don't wish poverty on anyone. But if you are able bodied, just because you have a minimum wage job doesn't mean you are entitled to live above "this" poverty line. True poverty should be helped without a doubt though. Minimum wage should not be 15/hr. College graduates are making 15/hr in some cases looking for that next step Increasing the minimum wage [that much] devalues those that rose above it whose wages will not increase. This hinders the "American dream," which is the ability to make any life for yourself you so choose. Not to have wealth guaranteed to you at the expense of those who strive for it
That is one of the main tenants of Marxism.
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!
Think about what they advocate...
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:12 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 5:58 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:24 am to Tdawg24
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We have 50 million starving kids in America we should them first.
Where are they all? If their kids are starving, the parents must be reealy be skinny. Where can one look to see all these starving people?
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 8:29 am
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:25 am to ballscaster
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If we don't them, who will them?
Them?..what about they?
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:45 am to Tdawg24
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We have 50 million starving kids in America we should them first.
Maybe cutting food assistance for family's with obese children and reallocating it to families with starving kids would be the solution.
We need a Bureau for starving kids in DC. Right?
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