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re: Mojave Desert solar plant pulls plug. Fails to deliver, murders 6K birds annually.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:02 pm to sneakytiger
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:02 pm to sneakytiger
Someone pocketed a boatload of money for yet another CA boondoggle.
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Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:09 pm to billjamin
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You have no clue what I do.
I have an idea
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:13 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I bet some of Newsom’s buddies got rich off of this.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:14 pm to Placekicker
Remember Solyndra? Full on money laundering scam from the Obama years.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:21 pm to Rize
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I have an idea
True. At least my part time job.
Posted on 9/23/25 at 10:22 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Remember Solyndra?
This is one of those times a Solyndra reference is spot on. Lots of similarities.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:05 am to SouthEasternKaiju
You can thank Obama admin n for the failure and 1.6 billion in loans
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:37 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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boondoggle.
Do you realize how many ballot harvesters that funded??
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:38 am to SouthEasternKaiju
It's nothing but a money scam, always was, wanna know why politicians like AOC, Ohmar, and the like got rich all it take is some digging, and the same goes for some conservatives, the beach front properties aren't under water, yet that was said what in the 80's,Know you gotta find a place to put all that shite, they don't care where it goes, they got there money so frick us
Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:43 am to ole man
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and the same goes for some conservatives
I suppose, if you're gonna group Mitch the Turtle into the group called 'conservative'. But being as reckless with public money is, I suspect, more of a Democrat trait, where as the GOP get paid for by private corporations.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:32 am to SouthEasternKaiju
USAID and NGOs drying up is gonna kill this crap. It was all BS from the start.
Announced the day Trump lit up the UN about is very subject. Priceless.
Announced the day Trump lit up the UN about is very subject. Priceless.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 5:48 am to AubieinNC2009
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if solar can't make power in the freaking desert then you know it will never be viable.
Solar is a fine power source for certain applications. It just doesn't scale well. These green nuts don't understand that our civilization needs massive amounts of power. The only viable alternative to coal, oil and gas is nuclear. Sure, they can do some rooftop solar on homes in the SW and Florida to help reduce consumption. Maybe a few windfarms where conditions are ideal.
Their dream of an all renewable grid is centuries away and they can't/won't accept that. Nuclear is the bridge to that, not current wind/solar technology.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:35 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Follow the money. What democrats got rich?
How much did they donate back to the Dems? How much did it cost the average taxpayer?
How much did they donate back to the Dems? How much did it cost the average taxpayer?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:43 am to SouthEasternKaiju
How do you spend $2.2B on that?
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:51 am to Sid E Walker
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Google Gainesville biomass plant. That’s our Mojave solar power facility.
Wasn’t there a “clean coal” power plant by Mississippi Power/Southern that cost over 7 billion and had to switch to natural gas because the clean coal didn’t live up to the cost savings and clean burning goals?
At that cost, they probably could have gone nuclear and had 2-3 times as much power output and zero emissions besides a little spent nuclear waste.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 6:57 am to Tarps99
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At that cost, they probably could have gone nuclear and had 2-3 times as much power output and zero emissions besides a little spent nuclear waste.
The two new Southern Power units at Voglte cost $34 billion.
..and that was at a site with a unit that was already online.
A greenfield nuclear plant would cost over $20 billion.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:03 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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Remember Solyndra? Full on money laundering scam from the Obama years.
This.
I was under the impression that at least the solar farms in Louisiana that “clean up” was part of the gig if the project were to fail? But WTF do I know. Especially, on public land, this is the next question. Private land….I hope the owners have a clause about returning the land to its original condition.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 7:47 am to LSUAlum2001
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The two new Southern Power units at Voglte cost $34 billion. ..and that was at a site with a unit that was already online. A greenfield nuclear plant would cost over $20 billion.
How much of that is due to the lack of investment and availability of research in newer safer nuclear technologies to where you are building something entirely new from scratch?
I wonder if more nuclear plants were under construction to where you have a modern standard design template and all new safety systems, how much cheaper would a plant cost where you are not bogged down in research and development costs as you are building it.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:43 am to SouthEasternKaiju
With the level of computer modelling today, and what we know about materials, physics, etc, there is no need for a test facility of this scale. Your model will tell you a lot about the feasibility, and a small scale prototype (maybe 1 MW, not the ~ 400 MW size they installed) will tell you most of the rest. If 1MW is good, learn from it and build a 10MW, if good, then 100 MW, etc.
from wiki: LINK
Sounds like they invested a LOT of money without doing some basic homework. They didn't model the expected range of cloud cover, the weather and contrails (!!!! - how many contrails in the desert???)?
I tend to lean away from conspiracy theories, but I have to side with the idea that these things get done because there are plenty of people making money from it, regardless of whether it succeeds or not. I guess that doesn't even reach the level of 'conspiracy theory', it's part of the political landscape.
from wiki: LINK
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In November 2014, the Associated Press reported that the facility was producing only "about half of its expected annual output". The California Energy Commission issued a statement blaming this on "clouds, jet contrails and weather"
Sounds like they invested a LOT of money without doing some basic homework. They didn't model the expected range of cloud cover, the weather and contrails (!!!! - how many contrails in the desert???)?
I tend to lean away from conspiracy theories, but I have to side with the idea that these things get done because there are plenty of people making money from it, regardless of whether it succeeds or not. I guess that doesn't even reach the level of 'conspiracy theory', it's part of the political landscape.
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:49 am to SallysHuman
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The United States government provided a $1.6 billion loan guarantee and the plant is built on public land.
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NRG declined to say how much of the $1.6bn loans guaranteed by the government remained unpaid as of 2025.
ALL OF IT BOY.
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