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re: Mitch McConnell: Senate must hold trial on Trump if House impeaches

Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:30 pm to
Supposed to be a vote in committee to determine whether to send to full floor for overall vote on whether to file articles of impeachment.

**That's how it's supposed to work.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Godfather1
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:33 pm to
quote:

Doesn’t an inquiry require a vote?


Yes.

That’s what makes this all theater. This matter was SO pressing, they adjourned for vacation before voting on it.

But what they did was get that impeachment sound byte out there to Joe Average in the line at DMV. That guy barely passed 10th grade Civics as taught by his school’s defensive coordinator. To him, that means they’re kicking Trump out. And the Dems know it.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:34 pm to
McConnel will immediately bring it up to a vote to remove immediately and won't get the necessary votes.

Over.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 2:36 pm
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:37 pm to
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He didn't.

He said, “How long you are on it is a different matter, but I would have no choice but to take it up based on a Senate rule on impeachment.” McConnell is a lawyer. He is well apprised of Senate rules and language. Notice the word "trial" does not appear in phrases "on it" or "take it up".


He said "trial" back in March:

quote:

The Kentucky Republican told NPR in an interview several months ago that “if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”
Posted by Perfect Circle
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:39 pm to
Good! Doesn't this mean the President's legal team can call witnesses? ANY witness?
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:40 pm to
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By that point the severe damage to the Democrat Party will have already been borne, but what will be interesting is the damage to the rogue members of the intelligence community.

So if this is the case shouldn't Trump quit with the "Arrest Schiff for Treason" and "treat the WB as a traitor and do what we've done to traitors in the past." He needs to cool it and sound reasoned.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

Doesn't this mean the President's legal team can call witnesses? ANY witness?


At this rate, if they do that, then the dems will charge him with obstruction.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

So if this is the case shouldn't Trump quit with the "Arrest Schiff for Treason" and "treat the WB as a traitor and do what we've done to traitors in the past."


Because he TOTALLY means exactly that.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

“if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”
Obviously you'll need to find that quote in context.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:48 pm to
He's simply pissed about the constant attack on his character and lashing out. For me, he gets not even .00001 point deducted for that. It's sorta primal.
Posted by coachcrisp
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:55 pm to
An interesting possibility:

" However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazille, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing coverup activities. A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison. All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath - and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.
4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will determine what testimony is allowed -- and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information. They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros.
After the Senate declines to convict the President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.”

"Be careful of what you wish for."
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 2:57 pm to
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Obviously you'll need to find that quote in context.



It's the same context as right now lol.

LINK

quote:

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is on record as saying that if the House goes ahead and impeaches President Donald Trump, the Senate “has no choice” but to conduct a trial to determine whether the president is removed from office.

The Kentucky Republican told NPR in an interview several months ago that “if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”
Posted by elit4ce05
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

He said


quote:

The Kentucky Republican told NPR
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:03 pm to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:06 pm to
quote:

It's the same context as right now lol.
"The Democrats believe “if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”"

"You [the NPR Reporter] seem to assume “if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”"

"Some read the rule as saying “if the House were to act, the Senate immediately goes into a trial.”"

None of those, in hypothetical context, say what you claim.
So, obviously you'll need to find that quote in context.

This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 3:07 pm
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:14 pm to
Pretaay pretaay good
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:21 pm to
lol whatever you say. Idk how you can argue with that quote if that quote is indeed what he said. He spells it out pretty clearly.

Do a quick search on the issue. Everywhere shows Mitch bluntly saying he would have to hold a trial, even if it lasts 2 minutes lol
Posted by rumproast
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:21 pm to
Actually, Mitch and the Senate Republicans would turn the trial into the trial of Democratic corruption. They would have subpoena power, and the SCOTUS Chief Justice would act as Judge. It would be a complete circus and one that the democrats would not like very much. I suspect we'd even hear from Obama... I don't think the dems have thought through the fact that the Repubs control the senate...and they pretty much will dictate how the show will go. But alas...they want impeachment....they proceed at their own peril. Oh...and the Supreme Court likely can't touch it based on precedent from the Nixon case. This would be a drubbing...but damn it would be entertaining. Nancy knows this...which is why she pushed back for so long. Now she has no choice but to cut off her nose to spite her face. (Actually, I was wrong initially in thinking that McConnell would preside. The Chief Justice of the SCOTUS would preside...so it may not be allowed to get too far afield....)
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

Do a quick search on the issue.
I did. I did, because the Senate rules do not really say that. The Constitution certainly doesn't. Even Lawfare doesn't. Everywhere I searched, the McConnell quote is obviously abridged, and stripped of context. Even in the radio show recording, it is tightly cut, edited and abridged.

With no context, and with the context deliberately edited out across multiple media outlets, I am highly suspicious of its representation.

Feel free to provide the complete context.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Actually, Mitch and the Senate Republicans would turn the trial into the trial of Democratic corruption.
Perhaps.

Perhaps that would be the angle for misrepresenting Senate rules and claiming a full trial was inevitable, if indeed McConnell actually represented Senate rules in the way the OP claims.

I'd be surprised Mitch was so far ahead of this in March to be confident enough to make that call. If so, either Mitch is a full-on Deep State turn coat, or Dems are in one deep hole. I've seen no indication of the former.
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