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re: Mississippi wins right to enforce religious exemptions law
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:45 pm to AggieDub14
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:45 pm to AggieDub14
quote:and come on man you been on this board a while. Unless I have literally logged off if you ask me a question I will at least try to answer it. It may not be to your satisfaction but I rarely will just ignore you.
Be a little bitch who contradicts people but doesn't back up what you say.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:46 pm to ShortyRob
Today you cannot legally discriminate based on age, gender, nationality, country of origin, and race.
Based on what you've said, I'm guessing you feel that people should be able to do so.
I on the other hand feel that sexual orientation should be added to this list.
Based on what you've said, I'm guessing you feel that people should be able to do so.
I on the other hand feel that sexual orientation should be added to this list.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:47 pm to ShortyRob
My bad. That was over the line.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:48 pm to ShortyRob
i agree with the statement that i wouldn't make a baker make me a cake if he didn't want to. but being denied basic services because of being Gay is bullshite.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:48 pm to AggieDub14
quote:I know the law. My position is contrary to it. But moreover let's be one-hundred-percent blunt here. It is completely okay in this country to discriminate based on race or sex and even based on sexual preference. It's just not okay to do it in certain directions.
Today you cannot legally discriminate based on age, gender, nationality, country of origin, and race.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:49 pm to ShortyRob
I see the point you are making. And I agree. Personal liberty is important. But at some point you have to realize that you are trading one persons liberty for that of another. So it's situational.
That being said, no one should have to bake a cake they don't want to.
That being said, no one should have to bake a cake they don't want to.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:50 pm to hawkeye007
quote:lots of shite free people do is bullshite. If Freedom only meant that you were free to do things universally liked you wouldnt need to call it freedom
ree with the statement that i wouldn't make a baker make me a cake if he didn't want to. but being denied basic services because of being Gay is bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:50 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:it's cute that you think you're going to rope me into discussing my opinion with you
DisplacedBuckeye
I like that you're laughing and I hope you post 100 more posts just like that
2 for two my little bitch
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:53 pm to slackster
Because it is over the issue of sanctioning marriage.
It's a grey as hell area, but IMO the problem here isn't those damned bigots looking to oppress homosexuals. This law is just a reaction trying to protect believers from the wave of lawsuits that was already cresting from people going out of their way to use them to beat people into submission.
Like I alluded to earlier, you legally can't champion free speech protections and trample freedom of religion protection in the same coin.
It's a grey as hell area, but IMO the problem here isn't those damned bigots looking to oppress homosexuals. This law is just a reaction trying to protect believers from the wave of lawsuits that was already cresting from people going out of their way to use them to beat people into submission.
Like I alluded to earlier, you legally can't champion free speech protections and trample freedom of religion protection in the same coin.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:55 pm to AggieDub14
quote:My Liberty cannot be impacted by your choice not to serve me because your service isn't even required to exist. Saying that my Liberty is infringed upon when you refuse me service implies that when you go out of business myliberty is infringed upon. It doesn't stand up logically. Moreover it implies that prior to you ever opening I was doing just fine but the act of you opening suddenly created a special right to me for your labor
But at some point you have to realize that you are trading one persons liberty for that of another. So it's situational
And again pay special note. I don't just support narrow Liberty. I don't just support some more arms I don't just support some idiots right to not serve a gay person. And yes I said idiot cuz I think it's stupid. I also support that gay person's right to pick and choose who he wants to serve.
That's a far cry better then what our government has done by selecting out certain groups for government protection from discrimination while allowing all other discrimination
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:57 pm to MastrShake
quote:
whose belief is this?
Christians?
because marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years. you don't own it, you're not in charge of it, its not up to you to decide who qualifies.
also, we don't make laws in this country based on religious beliefs, and if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman" that doesn't come down to "because the bible says so", then Id be fascinated to hear it.
I'll play. The first marriage contract was found dates to Mesopotamia about 4,000 years ago, so yes, you are correct. It does predate Christianity. At that time, it was allowed under one man and one woman. So, why do you call out Christians as being the driving force? That arrangement predated Christianity.
Granted, there were some same sex marriages 700 years ago, (About) but, again...if the concept of one man one woman started 4,000 years ago, why are you criticizing Christians?
quote:
and if anyone can give an explanation for why "marriage is the union of one man and one woman" that doesn't come down to "because the bible says so", then Id be fascinated to hear it.
Fascinated?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:58 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
my opinion
I thought I was fairly clear on this.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 2:58 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:I thank you again
DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:00 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
But at some point you have to realize that you are trading one persons liberty for that of another.
But you are contorting the definition of "liberty." I think what you meant was "trading one person's liberty for another person's convenience," because that's closer to what you're getting at.
Liberty does not equate with the Golden Rule, nor is it some warm and fuzzy notion that everyone will be treated nicely and fairly all the time. In fact, liberty quite often means that people are free to act like assholes to another person. But the beauty is that liberty also means those people are free to turn around and tell that person that they're an a-hole.
Liberty does not mean that someone can buy a cake whenever and wherever they feel like. Our economy (and more specifically, other individuals) provide that possibility.
So in this specific case, the baker should be free to choose to not use his labor (for whatever reason). By the same token, another business is free to say "hey, come to my place. I'll serve you." And the "client" is free to saunter on over and carry on with his life.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:06 pm to ShortyRob
This is the best day. You're an RA and an Admin Callout Meltdown Special away from being Karla.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:09 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
This is basically saying we don't want gay people do be able to do certain things because of our religion.
No, it isn't. It is saying that a person doesn't have to do something that conflicts with his religious beliefs!
Since you guys have cake on your mind...it is saying "My religious beliefs will not allow me to bake a cake for your wedding."
they can still go somewhere else. There will be plenty of people that will gladly take their money. It's not about telling somebody they cannot do something...it is about telling me what I HAVE to do.
There is a big difference. if a pastor does not want to marry a gay couple, there are pastors out there who will. It's not like if that one baker does not bake them a cake, they can't get a cake.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:13 pm to DawgsLife
What if you live in a town with only 1 baker?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:23 pm to AggieDub14
quote:
What if you live in a town with only 1 baker?
What if you lived in a town with no baker at all?
Is a baker from another town obligated to move to your town to open up shop in order to protect your non-existent right to purchase cakes?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 3:25 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
This is the best day. You're an RA and an Admin Callout Meltdown Special away from being Karla.
Oh please RA me. Good God. That would be the coup de grace
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