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re: Milo on Jehovah’s Witness, Christian Scientists, Mormons, etc

Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:31 pm to
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3979 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:31 pm to
Ironic you say that then basically question mine because I’m not Catholic
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30574 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:42 pm to
i wanted to date a Mormon girl, so i could see her magic under ware.


I thought it was some special undies, all cooletc. Then found a site selling magic mormon under ware, and was like what????? Smith and Young were some weird fricks.
Posted by Guntoter1
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2020
1557 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 6:53 pm to
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That was so stupid, if you don't become Catholic you all go to hell? Dude just verified he is a retard.


Well how did it work before Christ came to us.
With some exceptions, before Christ, only Jews were saved.
Why would today be any different.
Kind of scary if you ain’t Catholic.
I can see why you don’t believe what Milo said.
Posted by RescueT
Jackson MS
Member since Nov 2019
2772 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:00 pm to
No one here has said that. What I asked you to read was to love more, do not despise your brothers and sisters in Christ. Love moves. You are correct The Lord will deal with you and all of us one day. I’m not trying to convince you to be Catholic. I’m asking you to do better at loving your neighbor.
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3979 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:13 pm to
Fair enough, that’s not too much to ask :)
Posted by RescueT
Jackson MS
Member since Nov 2019
2772 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:13 pm to
That’s the attitude!
Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Ironic you say that then basically question mine because I’m not Catholic


I wasn’t questioning you. I was questioning FooManChoo who believes he knows everything about God and Faith and that we are all wrong.

I’m a Catholic defending our love of the Blessed Mother and our Faith!
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 7:57 pm
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3979 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:01 pm to
My bad then
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:29 pm to
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Can you imagine being so arrogant as to adhere to the Protestant belief of Once saved always saved.


To be fair, it's not really a Protestant belief. The only denominations that believe in this doctrine are Calvinists (they invented it) and the denominations that are heavily influenced by Calvinism, primarily the southern American evangelicals (Baptists and Non-Denoms). It's one of the most unbiblical and unhistoric doctrines out there, and most Protestant denominations recognize it as such.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
13103 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:31 pm to
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Jesus had no ssiblings


Really then who was James?

Iam a Catholic who questions purgatory and other practices.

If you were a Bible reading Catholic I will tell you to check out the narratives of the two criminal to Jesus’ right and left of the crucifixion.. The first unrepentant criminal mocked Jesus saying if you are King why don’t you order your kingdom to save you.

The other criminal realized his sins and stated Jesus was innocent and did not deserve to be put to death but stated he deserved to die and asked Jesus to think about him when Jesus got to His kingdom.

And Jesus’ answer to the criminal who was humble and asked for forgiveness was “ you will be with me today in paradise”.Jesus did not say you will need to go to purgatory for x years, have people pray for him for x years , did not say pay your local Catholic Church $$$ to list his name on the church bulletin to have parishioners pray for him in purgatory, etc..

The Catholic Church is like the Old Israel of thousands of years ago where the Israel priests were demanding people follow 600 rules but lacked a true heart of loving God.

Please give me a Bibical site defending the existence of purgatory and that believers should be praying thru saints ( regular flesh and blood people who were canonized) instead of praying directly thru Jesus?

I still love the Catholic Communion Mass and consider myself a Catholic but I’ve been born again to realize the Church’s fallacies.

Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53613 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:38 pm to
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People tend to get lost in the details. All Protestant faiths (mostly) believe in the same basic principles. These are the same basic principles as Catholics in regards to how the Trinity is viewed. The main difference is that Protestants prefer a personal relationship with God while Catholics prefer a more bureaucratic relationship.




This ^^^ is critical.

It seems Catholics don't understand that Jesus Christ is our Great High Priest and He is our intercessor when praying to the Father/Creator.

The direct intercessor was never meant to be Mary. I would never consider praying to the Father for the forgiveness of sin via a priest in a confessional nor would I call upon the Blessed Mother as the intercessor for my prayer to the Father. Jesus Christ gave His life so that we would have a direct connection through prayer and meditation back to the Father/Creator...., if we accept Him As our Lord and Savior.
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:40 pm to
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The Catholic Church has never once held a belief or committed an action questionable to God?


Correct on the belief part. The church has never officially taught anything which is heretical or false. However, members within the church can and have being wretched and sinful in deed, just like any other individual.

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Indulgences


Were and are biblical. Members of the church DID abuse them, however. Even Luther defended the practice, he only spoke out against their abuse.

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unjustified crusades


The entire world would be Muslim today if not for the Catholic church fighting the crusades. They were absolutely justified.

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persecution


Examples?

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literally burnt a man at the stake for converting the Bible in to English (William Tyndale)


Ah, you've drank the pseudohistory kool-aid. Several books of the Bible had already been translated into English prior to Tyndale. He was excommunicated (not killed) by the Catholic church for creating a heretical translation, one which most conservative Protestant theologians admit contain well over 1000 documented errors, many of which were intentional to paint the Catholic church in a bad light. He was persecuted by King Henry and the Church of England for speaking out against the King's divorce, and his sentence carried out by the Holy Roman Empire.
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:45 pm to
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Really then who was James?



The son of Mary of Clopus, just like the Bible implicates. This would make him a first cousin of Jesus, as either Clopus and Joseph were brothers or the two Mary's were half-sisters. Early church writings have indicated both as possibilities.
Posted by scorb
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
1913 posts
Posted on 12/5/24 at 8:58 pm to
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The son of Mary of Clopus, just like the Bible implicates. 


Interesting take.

Matthew 13:55 AMP
[55] Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And are not His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 6:46 am to
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It seems Catholics don't understand that Jesus Christ is our Great High Priest and He is our intercessor when praying to the Father/Creator.



Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass?
The reason I ask is that my brother's wife, a Southern Baptist, went to her first Catholic Mass when my daughter was Baptized. At the luncheon afterwards, she said, 'I didn't know that Catholics believed that Jesus was the true savior". After her experience, she has a whole new attitude toward Catholicism, still a Baptist, but doesn't believe we are idol worshipers or not Christians.

We pray to Father and the Son, we also ask for intercession from the Saints. You really can't criticize anyone who prays too much.
Posted by Stitches
Member since Oct 2019
1242 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 7:12 am to
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Interesting take.


Yes the greek word used there is adelphos, which is also used to describe Abraham and Lot's relationship. Yet, they were uncle and nephew, not brothers.

We know that James the younger and Joseph's mother was named Mary. Look at the descriptions of the women standing beneath the cross: “among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee” (Matt. 27:56)

“There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome” (Mark 15:40).

Then look at what John says: “But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene” (John 19:25). If we compare these parallel accounts of the scene of the crucifixion, we see that the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Clopas, a different Mary than Jesus' mother.

That would make them first cousins, and the same Greek word used to describe full brothers with the same mother and father (which cannot apply to Jesus since God only begot one son) would be used to describe any relationship between kin.

Watch the video below by New Orleans native and renowned New Testament scholar, Dr. Brant Pitre

Dr. Brant Pitre explains it here
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45563 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:45 am to
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Yea. Ok. So you include yourself in Gods foreknown group?
You make my point. You very self assured of your salvation.
Um, yeah. I'm self assured precisely because Jesus paid the price to set me free. There's no more price to be paid by me or anyone else. I have received that benefit by believing in the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

If my faith is truly a saving faith rather than just a mere intellectual assent without trust, then ultimately I will fall away from the faith, but there are too many evidences in my life of actual Spirit-wrought change in me to think that the faith I have is not a saving faith. I am a changed person, inside and out.

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Good luck with that. I didn’t see your name listed in that passage.
It's in the lamb's book of life. It's a big book and not all names are listed

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My understanding of Christ teaching is VERY different than yours.
Mine is Catholic. Yours is Prot.
Mine goes back to Christ. Yours goes back to the reformation.
You are so hung up on timelines and "succession" rather than seeing what the Reformation was about. It wasn't about creating a new faith or new religion but bringing Christianity back to its very founding, before Rome had utterly corrupted it. That's why it's called a reformation rather than a re-creation.

The Reformers went back to the Scriptures to reform the doctrine that Rome had corrupted. If I were to draw this out for you with a timeline, when the Reformation occurred, the doctrine would be an arrow that pointed back to the Apostolic era and the writing of the New Testament.

You might not agree that the doctrines are true, but they are taken from the Scriptures, themselves, not merely the opinions of men from the 1500's.

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Your problem is that you see the failings of the sinfull people that run the Catholic Church as a reflection on the church itself.
You can not separate the two.
No, that's not what I'm doing at all. I'm not looking at the failings of people within the Roman Catholic church, but the doctrines of the Roman Catholic church. Sinners exist everywhere; I'm a sinner. There are child abusers in Protestant churches just like there are in Catholic churches. There are Protestant pastors that are wolves and will be in Hell when they are judged by God. The people aren't the issue, but the teachings are.

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The irony is that it is you who do not fully trust Christ because you can not accept his way. His way is hard. It is difficult. It is not logical in your mind.
This is why you reject the simple clear meaning aid scripture.
Jesus' way is to save people from their sins through His death on the cross as the perfect son of God. You are confusing the Church with the Gospel, which accurately sums up what Rome teaches. The Roman church is the gospel, the way to salvation. I believe that Jesus Christ alone saves.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45563 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 8:49 am to
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Whoa
Your church has the authority granted to Peter as head of the Church.
To bind and to Loosen.
Again, that authority was granted to all the disciples/apostles, not just to Peter. I already explained this; read Matthew 18:15-20 where Jesus is addressing all His disciples, not just Peter. Go back and read my previous post where I explained this.

All faithful branches of Christ's Church have this authority. It is given to the elders/overseers of the churches in particular.

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You claim this authority for yourself as member of your church.
Are you crazy.
Do you not understand what you are saying?
The mask has finally come off
I understand what I'm saying but clearly you do not. I'm sorry if I haven't been clear, but no, I'm not saying that I as an individual member of my church have the authority to bind and loose. That authority rests in the elders of the Church which act as Christ's under-shepherds, with His delegated authority.
Posted by BamaMamaof2
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2019
2650 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:06 am to
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Again, that authority was granted to all the disciples/apostles, not just to Peter. I already explained this; read Matthew 18:15-20 where Jesus is addressing all His disciples, not just Peter. Go back and read my previous post where I explained this.


No, Christ gave this power to Peter. Here is the scripture.
According to the Bible, Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock" upon which the church would be built in Matthew 16:18. The verse reads, "And I say to you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.".
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
45563 posts
Posted on 12/6/24 at 9:41 am to
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It has the authority to bind and loose; to receive into membership and to exclude from membership. It has the authority to administer the sacraments.

Then you or I would have the same authority.
I must have been very unclear in my statement because you are the 2nd person who has misunderstood me.

Christ has given the authority to bind and to loose to the elders of each congregation of each faithful branch of Christ's one Church. The individual members do not possess this authority, but it is for the elders of the churches to receive professing and baptized Christians into membership/union in the visible Church and to discipline them as needed, including removing them from that membership/union.

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That position is why we have so many different denominations.
I believe sin is the reason we have so many different denominations. Sin clouds our thinking and prevents us from believing all that God has taught us in His word. That's true for all Christians and it is why we all need to pray that God renews our minds by His Spirit and word.

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Someone has to be correct. Ex: Jesus can’t be born of a virgin and not born of a virgin.
Agreed. Logically, not everyone can be right when there are different beliefs. In Heaven, all will be made perfectly clear and there will be no more denominations.

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My position is backed by 2,000 years of doctrine and tradition that can be traced back to Jesus. Yours can be traced back to a man who thought you knew more than the Church.
This is a misrepresentation of the Reformation. Going back to the Scriptures takes us back 2,000+ years, not 500+. Paul was preaching against heresy and other false teachings from the beginning and yet Roman Catholics believe that Rome has been kept pure since the beginning. I'm afraid not.

It's also disingenuous to claim unity with the Church for 2,000 years because not all that Rome teaches/believes today is what the Church believed for the past 2,000 years. It wasn't until the Council of Trent that Rome apostatized, IMO, because it wasn't until 500 years ago that the gospel of Jesus Christ according to the Scriptures was deemed anathema by her. Since then in particular, there has been dogma after dogma that is wholly unknown by the early Church fathers, especially the Marian dogmas and the concept of papal infallibility. You can claim nominal unity to the Church from the beginning but the lampstand was removed from Rome centuries ago and Rome of today is much different from Rome in AD 100.

This would be akin to environmentalism today compared to 100 years ago. An environmentalist 100 years ago was primarily focused on preserving natural landscapes and conservation while environmentalists today are more concerned about social justice. An environmentalist claiming continuity across the movement for the past century would be pretty disingenuous because of the vast differences between then and now.
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