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re: Millennials voting for Sanders
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:08 pm to Spelt it rong
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:08 pm to Spelt it rong
Yea, but they sure think they do.
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Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:09 pm to Oneforthemoney
Who raised these Millennials?!?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:10 pm to Spelt it rong
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I'm not saying that most Gen X do feel it, but there are quite a few out there, just as there are a bunch of Millenials on my end of the spectrum. Gen Z needs to chill the frick out though. Those assholes don't know anything about life yet.
I'm sure there are some supporters in all stages of life, but in general, older voting groups tend to skew more conservative, not less. They tend to have more to lose from someone like Sanders getting elected.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:10 pm to Vacherie Saint
Personal theory, but I'm pretty sure millennials are the ones wrecking their financial security. And marriage trends are the driver. If you back up 60 years, avg first marriage age was 7-8 years younger for men and women then it currently is.
That trend is basically delaying greater financial security by 7-8 years. Namely because people are losing out on the financial benefits of marriage, things like double income, lowered rent/mortgage, potential tax savings, etc. Millennials and Gen Z are simply delaying all of that by almost a decade then blaming boomers etc who all benefited from that jump start.
There are tons of articles etc out there advocating for delaying marriage and certainly making a good marriage choice at an older age is definitely more financially sound (at least for men) than marrying at 21 and divorcing 29 with 2 kids to support. But there's also a ton of people in the younger generations that ate simply missing out because marrying directly out of college is out of fashion right now.
That trend is basically delaying greater financial security by 7-8 years. Namely because people are losing out on the financial benefits of marriage, things like double income, lowered rent/mortgage, potential tax savings, etc. Millennials and Gen Z are simply delaying all of that by almost a decade then blaming boomers etc who all benefited from that jump start.
There are tons of articles etc out there advocating for delaying marriage and certainly making a good marriage choice at an older age is definitely more financially sound (at least for men) than marrying at 21 and divorcing 29 with 2 kids to support. But there's also a ton of people in the younger generations that ate simply missing out because marrying directly out of college is out of fashion right now.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:11 pm to HempHead
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This post was edited on 2/24/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:16 pm to cahoots
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3. Entry level jobs have really become concentrated in big, expensive metros. It's not impossible to find a good job in a cheap area, but it is a severely limiting factor for a new graduate.
Maybe in specific industries but there are accountants, computer programmers and engineers in Topeka. It might not be where you want to live at 24 though
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:22 pm to Oneforthemoney
this doesn't warrant a serious response, but i'll bite anyway because frick it.
I'm voting for Bernie because politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are overwhelmingly self-serving, immoral megalomaniacs. They took jobs whose stated purpose is to serve their constituents, and instead they serve themselves and their buddies.
I love to bash Trump because he's a fricking idiot who also happens to be a self-serving, lying, immoral conman, but he's not THAT different than Bill Clinton and Obama. I would argue that both of those guys were better people than Trump (and certainly smarter), but I don't think they entered office to help the people. They did it to burnish their own image, and ultimately help themselves.
Bernie is not that dude. His record (except for a few gotchas) speaks for itself. He wants to help people, and is genuinely perplexed at the reality that so so so many people (deep south, represent!) vote against their interests. so he's trying to fix that. the fact that a man trying to implement policies that are trying to help others get stuff like fricking healthcare is getting branded as a devil is a testament to how fricked we are as a country.
I'm not going to convince any of you of my beliefs, or my worldview, as you're essentially split into two camps: low-info people who parrot the shite they hear on far-right conspiracy sites/Fox News, or you're too entrenched in your beliefs to objectively look at other viewpoints. so it is what it is.
for the record, his policies will murder my pocketbook, personally. my wife and I are in top tax bracket, so i imagine we're going to get hit pretty hard, no matter how you slice it. but we'll live in a country where it's no longer okay to do shite like bankrupt people to get cancer treatment, so that's a good thing to show our kids and future generations.
can't wait for the "frick you virtue signaler, commie, blah blah!"
have at it.
I'm voting for Bernie because politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are overwhelmingly self-serving, immoral megalomaniacs. They took jobs whose stated purpose is to serve their constituents, and instead they serve themselves and their buddies.
I love to bash Trump because he's a fricking idiot who also happens to be a self-serving, lying, immoral conman, but he's not THAT different than Bill Clinton and Obama. I would argue that both of those guys were better people than Trump (and certainly smarter), but I don't think they entered office to help the people. They did it to burnish their own image, and ultimately help themselves.
Bernie is not that dude. His record (except for a few gotchas) speaks for itself. He wants to help people, and is genuinely perplexed at the reality that so so so many people (deep south, represent!) vote against their interests. so he's trying to fix that. the fact that a man trying to implement policies that are trying to help others get stuff like fricking healthcare is getting branded as a devil is a testament to how fricked we are as a country.
I'm not going to convince any of you of my beliefs, or my worldview, as you're essentially split into two camps: low-info people who parrot the shite they hear on far-right conspiracy sites/Fox News, or you're too entrenched in your beliefs to objectively look at other viewpoints. so it is what it is.
for the record, his policies will murder my pocketbook, personally. my wife and I are in top tax bracket, so i imagine we're going to get hit pretty hard, no matter how you slice it. but we'll live in a country where it's no longer okay to do shite like bankrupt people to get cancer treatment, so that's a good thing to show our kids and future generations.
can't wait for the "frick you virtue signaler, commie, blah blah!"
have at it.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:26 pm to MI LSU
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for the record, his policies will murder my pocketbook, personally. my wife and I are in top tax bracket, so i imagine we're going to get hit pretty hard,
You are either lying or stupid, which is it?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:26 pm to The Maj
People owned homes, had two kids, and a stay at home parent on a high school education, all before 35. In a large portion of the country, that is just not feasible anymore.
Not a Bernie Bro, won't vote for him, but it's also extremely easy to prove housing prices and college costs have gone up far faster than wages. More government isn't the solution, it's less government. Maybe we can take the next couple of wars off too, could save us some money.
Not a Bernie Bro, won't vote for him, but it's also extremely easy to prove housing prices and college costs have gone up far faster than wages. More government isn't the solution, it's less government. Maybe we can take the next couple of wars off too, could save us some money.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:27 pm to MI LSU
I will just say this: the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Wanting a society where it is easier for people to have a normal, productive life without experiencing extreme burdens can be generally accepted by almost everyone. It is the means by which that can be done that we differ.
History tells us that the allocation of resources being determined by centralized organizations results in sub-optimal output and a shortage of the demanded goods and services.
Wanting a society where it is easier for people to have a normal, productive life without experiencing extreme burdens can be generally accepted by almost everyone. It is the means by which that can be done that we differ.
History tells us that the allocation of resources being determined by centralized organizations results in sub-optimal output and a shortage of the demanded goods and services.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:27 pm to MI LSU
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I'm voting for Bernie because politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are overwhelmingly self-serving, immoral megalomaniacs. They took jobs whose stated purpose is to serve their constituents, and instead they serve themselves and their buddies.
Bernie owns three homes, and was basically paid off by the DNC to not scream bloody murder they screwed him in 2016. How is he any better?
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:28 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Exactly.
More government isn't the solution, it's less government.
That is the biggest issue with Bernie Bros, like MI LSU, is that they refuse to acknowledge that.
They think the only way to fix problems that were created by the government is to add more government.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:29 pm to MI LSU
Thanks for the insight......comrade.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:30 pm to Oneforthemoney
34 and would never vote Democrat much less a commie like Bernie. I despise him!
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:30 pm to Jcorye1
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Bernie owns three homes
there's nothing wrong with being worth many millions of dollars, bernie doesn't have a problem with it and neither do 99% of his supporters.
it's the billionaires most people have a problem with, and their ability to avoid paying their fair share of taxes.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:30 pm to Scruffy
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They think the only way to fix problems that were created by the government is to add more government.
That is mostly because no one (at least no one with any serious influence) has offered this as a solution. It's like going to multiple doctors, with only one offering a treatment.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:31 pm to MI LSU
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He wants to help people
He wants to help himself and the vast majority of the people who will vote for him (see below). Let him do it with your money, not mine.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:31 pm to HempHead
quote:Well, yea, but that is because the governments which implemented that (USSR, Cuba, Venezuela - all governments idolized by Bernie) just didn’t do it right.
History tells us that the allocation of resources being determined by centralized organizations results in sub-optimal output and a shortage of the demanded goods and services.
They’ll get it right this time.
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:31 pm to cahoots
quote:Yes, I do. Sadly, THEY don't.
You have to understand the nuances of the financial predicament of certain millenials.
quote:
1. College is $$$. It's not just tuition. Required student housing, textbooks, and other costs went through the roof. It was and is still a good "deal" in the long run, but the required capital increased a lot.
Correct. Problem is, millennials know the problem, but they clearly can't ascertain the cause. And therefore, their ideas to address the problem are dumb.
quote:Look, that's great and all. But a shite ton of people came of age in the mid-70s and then, ran into mortgage rates that were double digits for the bulk of their early family rearing years. It happens. You don't spend the rest of your life hand wringing over it.
2. Graduated at height of recession.
quote:This just really isn't true at all. Unless your definition of "big expensive metro" is VERY expansive.
3. Entry level jobs have really become concentrated in big, expensive metros. It's not impossible to find a good job in a cheap area, but it is a severely limiting factor for a new graduate.
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4. After the recession let up, a lot of home prices skyrocketed overnight. Some once-cheap areas were suddenly expensive.
LOL. Home ownership costs aren't just about price. A 30 year mortgage on a $200K home in 2010 at the best rates would have hit you for $1,136 per month. Today, a $260K mortgage at the best rates will hit you for $1,132 per month.
You people have NO fricking frame of reference. You think sub 3.5% mortgage rates and nearly free car loan rates are normal.
In any case, I can't listen to millennials on this subject because ALL of their "solutions" are literally WORSE than the situation as it already is.
It's like a child complaining about how poorly their parents managed their money...……...but then, the adult child's solution is to do it MORE!!!
Posted on 2/24/20 at 1:33 pm to MI LSU
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for the record, his policies will murder my pocketbook, personally. my wife and I are in top tax bracket, so i imagine we're going to get hit pretty hard, no matter how you slice it.
If you are actually a voter that knowingly votes against your own self interest than you'd be the first that I've met.
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