re: Military Service Men & Women...Is What Vindman Did Wrong?

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Anyone who has served more than a day has had a superior investigated.

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We aren't talking about pissed off females that can't pass a PT test taking it out with a bogus sexual harassment claim.

Let me break down how he is a piece of shite using his testimony:

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"I was concerned by the call. I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. Government's support of Ukraine.

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Why? If Biden had murdered people in Ukraine would it not be proper for the fricking Commander in Chief to ask Ukrainian officials about it? Also, it is MILES above his pay grade to fret over the U.S. support of Ukraine. You know who actually has that job? Trump.

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I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained.

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Running for office does not give you immunity to crime. Again, replace the crime of using elected office to enrich your family with murder. Would it have been partisan for Trump to ask Ukraine to investigate Biden possibly murdering someone. Yes, but so what? It is extra ironic that his concern of a "partisan play" resulted in him running to the Democratic Party rather than just leaving it with his Commander.

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This would all undermine U.S. national security."

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Thank God we have a fat, light colonel watching out for U.S. national security!

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Is What Vindman Did Wrong?

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Yes.

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Absolutely. He completely bypassed his chain of command and testified to conjecture, his opinion, and second-hand hearsay.

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Not to mention the fact that he very likely leaked information he wasn’t supposed to.

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All of this....had he done this to Obama he'd be burned at the stake

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if Vindman takes his student seat later this year, he will have gotten away with it,

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Possibly but I doubt he pins O-6, which would be a quiet way of dealing with him...

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defend the Constitution and he believed Trump's actions were unconstitutional

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NOT WHAT VINDMAN SAID...with his own lips...
All his hymn-hawing was about foreign policy, Ukraine and Security...

Not one bit had to do with the US Constitution...

He married the two later to assist his defense...Constitution says POTUS has authority in those matters, if Congress doesn't like it, the communicate, or sue over it...

This was absolutely about a coup.

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Possibly but I doubt he pins O-6, which would be a quiet way of dealing with him...

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Why would "the system" allow him to occupy a scarce and coveted student seat at the War College when they know that he won't be promoted due to personnel-file documented misconduct and poor judgment at his last duty station?

My opinion is this: IF he takes his seat at the War College, it means that nobody went through the trouble to formally Relieve him and to document this adverse action in his military personnel file. That means he probably graduates and is later promoted to full Colonel.

Let's hope he flunks the PT test and gets sent away from the War College. My honest opinion is that his Rater and Senior Rater never had the stones to make any of Vindman's wrong-doing a document-recorded part of Vindman's personnel file. Period. The Rater and Senior Raters THEMSELVES, above all else, want to continue to be promoted, and, they were probably very hesitant to "go after" Vindman because they viewed Vindman as an Officer with political "connections".

What if they properly discipline Vindman, who, because of his political connections, survives the "attack" and then might be one day in a position to retaliate against his former Senior Rater?

This is how senior Army officers think -- it's all about not doing anything that might "blow back" on me and jeopardize my own long-term Army career. It's really NOT about "doing the right thing, for the right reason, in the right way" and it hasn't been about that for a long time, once you make Colonel and higher.

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It's really NOT about "doing the right thing, for the right reason, in the right way" and it hasn't been about that for a long time, once you make Colonel and higher.

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That's why I always chuckle about retired generals who run for political office on the premise that "they're not politicians". You don't get that chicken pinned on your collar, much less the first star, without being a politician.

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My honest opinion is that his Rater and Senior Rater never had the stones to make any of Vindman's wrong-doing a document-recorded part of Vindman's personnel file. Period. The Rater and Senior Raters THEMSELVES,

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Officers are notoriously soft...
The whole "OMG, one documented counseling/reprimand could ruin their career"...

bullshite, I know an LT pilot that was reprimanded for DUI, punished to not drive a vehicle or fly for a year on base/@$$$, recovered stopped drinking and went on to be a fine officer (Maj now)...

I've unfortunately had to assist no less than 15 Es out and documented no less than hundreds of times...
SOME ARE CHIEF MASTER SERGEANTS right now. Believe it or not it helps the best of the best when they get called on their unethical (technically illegal when it comes to work shortcuts) behavior.

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Is What Vindman Did Wrong?

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Yes

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Do his actions warrant disciplinary measures, based on your knowledge and experiences?

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Officers are not immune to breaking the chain of command. This guy bypassed several links with a single bound.