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re: Military members to “quit” if faced with mandatory vaccinations
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:35 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:35 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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They are if the vaccination is not FDA approved or if the vaccination is under review pending legal action.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are very likely to gain full FDA approval. There is no major discrepancies between their phase 2 and phase 3 trial data, and I know Pfizer has submitted their BLA with a request for Priority Review and I imagine that Moderna has done the same. It's either 6 or 10 months before full approval.
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:36 pm to ned nederlander
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But nobody, and I mean nobody, who has served in the military or views the world through conservative lenses should welcome some jackass congressman from Kentucky or wherever deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force.
This is already happening at warp speed, it's just a jackass from Delaware (or more accurately his string pullers) deciding they know better than military brass on matters of how to maintain a combat ready military force. Clinton meddled a little, Obama meddled a lot. Neither did anything approaching what we're seeing now.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:37 pm to TBoy
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If the right wingers make it a point to ignore or resist routine orders and health policies
You have no idea what you're talking about. Resistance to the vaccine isn't restricted to "right wingers"; not even close.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:40 pm to Flats
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You have no idea what you're talking about. Resistance to the vaccine isn't restricted to "right wingers"; not even close.
True blackpipo ain’t down with it.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:42 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Negative.
They are if the vaccination is not FDA approved
IIRC you've served. So have I ... in the Medical Corps. If an injection is ordered, you take it subject to discipline on refusal.
The same obligatory hierarchy is what separates CRT in the military as indoctrination vs CRT debate in universities as "theory". Ignorance of the latter is one of the reasons Milley is no longer fit to serve as Chairman, JCOS.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:44 pm to jimmy the leg
quote:CV19 vaccines are FDA approved under EUA.
Which non-FDA approved vaccines
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:47 pm to CU_Tigers4life
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They could quit in the form of getting kicked out by refusing and get court martialed for disobeying orders and get a BCD
Worst would be other than honorable, hardly anyone gets a BCD regardless of what laws they break
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:48 pm to Mizzoufan26
quote:Right.
Worst would be other than honorable
A General Discharge would suck for these folks.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:54 pm to NC_Tigah
What’s the difference? I have no idea.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:54 pm to jimmy the leg
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Which non-FDA approved vaccines were used in the past?
There were two episodes in the history of vaccine development, both related to respiratory pathogens, but given not to the armed forces as a whole. The first was a pneumococcus vaccine developed from six serotypes, given to recruits at an air base in 1945. It was only licensed after it successfully reduced incidence and the pneumococcal incidence state for those serotypes. The other relates to adenovirus, given to armed forces members at two bases in 1956, and only licensed after efficacy data showed it worked.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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So have I ... in the Medical Corps. If an injection is ordered, you take it subject to discipline on refusal.
I served from 2000-2020. Not once was I ordered to take a vaccine that was not FDA approved or under a legal review.
When I first joined, we weren't even allowed to VOLUNTEER for the anthrax vaccine. I didn't get one until deploying to Iraq in 2003.
Do I have to call Wolfhound in off the top rope?
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:00 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Obviously Massie never served in the military, and has no concept about readiness. They are not going anywhere. We got anthrax shots prior to OIF in 02/03 to protect the force. The Desert Storm generation did the same. They will get their COVID vaccine WHEN it becomes mandatory IOT preserve readiness, period.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:00 pm to tiger91
quote:Significant. An HD for job apps is a credit. A GD in many cases is little different in practical terms than a Dishonorable Discharge.
What’s the difference? I have no idea.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:03 pm to Thundercles
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I really wonder what provision they could "quit" under. I spent a few years in the Air Force and that contract wasn't really one you can just walk away from.
What if you already have 16 years? I imagine you can walk anytime after the initial sign up. No?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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Which non-FDA approved vaccines
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CV19 vaccines are FDA approved under EUA.
Is that a mandate?
On another note, which EUA vaccines were mandated by the military in the past?
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:09 pm to crazy4lsu
Thank you for the info.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:11 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
My cousin has been telling me he’s leaving if they force it. He’s already fed up with the SJW bullshite they’re pushing
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:11 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
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What if you already have 16 years?
You aren't "retirement tenured" until 18.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:13 pm to HC87
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We got anthrax shots prior to OIF in 02/03 to protect the force
2002 is when the shots were allowed to resume. When I was in Korea from December 2000 - March 2002, MEDCOM could NOT administer the Anthrax shot.
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:14 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Nor would you be now. Again, CV19 vaxs are FDA approved so your rhetorical is nonapplicable.
I served from 2000-2020. Not once was I ordered to take a vaccine that was not FDA approved
Nonetheless biowarfare dictum and necessity for readiness drives the military equation.
quote:AnthraxVax was deemed an unnecessary risk unless deployment was to an area where Anthrax bioweapon exposure might occur. It was a strategic decision.
I didn't get one until deploying to Iraq in 2003.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 5:15 pm
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