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re: Mexican Soldiers Disarm Two U.S. Military Soldiers on the U.S. / Mexico Border
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:08 am to AHCOO
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:08 am to AHCOO
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Because the guards that were sent to Border are supposed to be watching the borders to help border patrol or CBP to minimize th rush of illegals but even at they don’t really do what they are supposed to
There are plenty of good guard units. Apparently they aren't sending them to the border. That's a crying shame that it's not being taken seriously. I'm assuming that a good number of them are either unarmed or not issued ammo. Their lack of training is fricking disgusting.
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:10 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Sounds like these US soldiers were asleep or not on watch for some reason
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:14 am to bencoleman
quote:I think I have read somewhere where I think you said you were once a guard.. but I know a lot of guard members have been to Iraq afaganistan etc who have fought alongside the marines and army etc.. but these guys that were sent to Border are not he same ones I can promise you that.. there was an incident in laredo Texas were the guard acutually helped out to seize a load of meth, but then ended up stealing a brick to have a party at a hotel and one of almost overdosed on meth..
There are plenty of good guard units. Apparently they aren't sending them to the border. That's a crying shame that it's not being taken seriously. I'm assuming that a good number of them are either unarmed or not issued ammo. Their lack of training is fricking disgusting.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:20 am to AHCOO
What’s really helping us right now is the coast guard bringing their boat to the river. These guys are armed are really doing their job like how it’s supposed to be but even at if the illegals get pushed out the Rio grande they will start crossing again through New Mexico Arizona and Cali were the fence is really needed
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:25 am to AHCOO
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What’s really helping us right now is the coast guard bringing their boat to the river. These guys are armed are really doing their job like how it’s supposed to be
The coast guard is used to interdiction and I would assume professional. I'm still disgusted with the guard.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 1:29 am to bencoleman
quote:but the thing this is Texas fault if I’m not mistaken.. they are the one that sent these guys down here and are being paid by the state of texas.. again don’t quote me on that but that might be true..
The coast guard is used to interdiction and I would assume professional. I'm still disgusted with the guard.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:05 am to AHCOO
quote:
but the thing this is Texas fault if I’m not mistaken.. they are the one that sent these guys down here and are being paid by the state of texas.. again don’t quote me on that but that might be true
So those units wouldn't be fit to be called up if there were a need. That's Texas guard units that aren't being trained. I also understand that the guys were members of an artillery unit. You have to wonder why they don't have someone more qualified. I can think of several that would possibly be better trained. Maybe an infantry unit, combat engineer unit, mp unit, any transportation unit that's been deployed overseas would probably have plenty of experience under fire. Maybe Texas doesn't take training and maintaining a functioning guard seriously.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:11 am to AHCOO
quote:Wrong. From the article;
The army personal that they mentioned are the national guard..
quote:Regular Army.
The soldiers were members of B Battery, 1st Battalion, 37th Field Artillery Regiment, out of Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington.
Any "qualifiers" for them OleWarSkuleAlum?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:15 am to bencoleman
quote:What do you think FA has been up to the last 15 years? You're saying a transportation unit is better qualified?
I also understand that the guys were members of an artillery unit. You have to wonder why they don't have someone more qualified. I can think of several that would possibly be better trained. Maybe an infantry unit, combat engineer unit, mp unit, any transportation unit that's been deployed overseas would probably have plenty of experience under fire.
Hint: They haven't been sitting around in garrison.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 5:23 am
Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:39 am to AHCOO
That goes to leadership. People like that don't need to be in the Guard and non coms and especially officers that tolerate it need to be gone. At some level there has to be someone with enough pride in the uniform and professionalism to know that stupidity like that(if it happened mind you) gets people killed if a war starts and civilians killed if the Guard is needed at home.
Excuses are bullshite. IF these people were asleep at the wheel in this case for example and allowed this to happen they should be made an example of. You get what you put up with.
Excuses are bullshite. IF these people were asleep at the wheel in this case for example and allowed this to happen they should be made an example of. You get what you put up with.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 6:43 am
Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:32 am to antibarner
They were not in the Guard. They were Regular Army.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:38 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Sounds like we need a wall so Mexican solders don’t come over the line and try to arrest our citizens or soldiers.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 8:18 am to tjv305
There is a wall at that location, dummy
Posted on 4/21/19 at 2:54 pm to choppadocta
Right. Huge massive difference between a ship and a patrol boat.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 3:01 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:
What do you think FA has been up to the last 15 years? You're saying a transportation unit is better qualified?
Hint: They haven't been sitting around in garrison
I tell you what. I'll take field artillery before I'll load up and my job be running all over IED roads and ambushes. Do you want to be the one hauling fuel or something flammable.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 3:06 pm to Wolfhound45
quote:
They were Regular Army
They both need an article 15 with a resulting loss of rank.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 4:01 pm to bencoleman
quote:IIRC, one was a private
They both need an article 15 with a resulting loss of rank.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:31 pm to Wolfhound45
If you think it's funny then you're part of the problem. General Discharge(probably deserves Dishonorable)for embarrassing the entire United States Army if they were indeed asleep on duty, for both of them.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:52 pm to bencoleman
quote:
So those units wouldn't be fit to be called up if there were a need. That's Texas guard units that aren't being trained. I also understand that the guys were members of an artillery unit. You have to wonder why they don't have someone more qualified. I can think of several that would possibly be better trained. Maybe an infantry unit, combat engineer unit, mp unit, any transportation unit that's been deployed overseas would probably have plenty of experience under fire. Maybe Texas doesn't take training and maintaining a functioning guard seriously.
Maybe the Army has enough real missions they aren't worried about who they send as the token force for a political stunt on the border.
Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:54 pm to bencoleman
quote:The reporting has said they were Regular Army, not Guard or Reserve.quote:So those units wouldn't be fit to be called up if there were a need. That's Texas guard units that aren't being trained. I also understand that the guys were members of an artillery unit. You have to wonder why they don't have someone more qualified. I can think of several that would possibly be better trained. Maybe an infantry unit, combat engineer unit, mp unit, any transportation unit that's been deployed overseas would probably have plenty of experience under fire. Maybe Texas doesn't take training and maintaining a functioning guard seriously.
but the thing this is Texas fault if I’m not mistaken.. they are the one that sent these guys down here and are being paid by the state of texas.. again don’t quote me on that but that might be true
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 6:56 pm
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