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re: Mega church pastor says: Penalizing Women for Abortion Is Not Pro-Life
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:44 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:44 am to Dawgfanman
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Maybe all these human beings you want “shipped” should travel in cargo containers on trains...it’s almost like your kind did this with humans before..
I would run that train - not ready to send them to shower but get me a train to McAllen and I will get those illegals home
Heil Trump!
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 6:46 am to Boatshoes
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There are. Some are called orphanages. If you asked kids in orphanages "would you rather grow up here or be dead?" What sort of answers do you think you would get?
Mostly kids there have been abused
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:17 am to thelawnwranglers
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Mostly kids there have been abused
LINK
The statistics don't bear our your assertions. If you look at the foster care system, even in children who have been mistakenly placed with drug abusing or alcoholic foster parents the rates of abuse only reach 30% and 10% respectively. Incidentally, the rates of abuse for foster children placed with gay couples is higher than this (LINK) .
Meanwhile 100% of successfully aborted children are dead.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 7:22 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:18 am to Boatshoes
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The statistics don't bear our your assertions. If you look at the foster care system, even in children who have been mistakenly placed with drug abusing or alcoholic foster parents the rates of abuse only reach 30% and 10% respectively.
Meanwhile 100% of successfully aborted children are dead.
I meant how the kids get there- they have shitty parents who didn't take care of them or abused them
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:24 am to thelawnwranglers
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I meant how the kids get there- they have shitty parents who didn't take care of them or abused them
OK, but what bearing does that have on this discussion?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:52 am to McLemore
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False dilemma.
Next.
How is it a false dilemma?? Smh
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:57 am to TOSOV
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don’t think anyone wants to prosecute the women. It’s better to prosecute the doctors.
does Bama law also provide for the 'dad' to be tracked down and prosecuted? 'dad' never seems to be mentioned in these debates.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:00 am to TOSOV
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Some of yall are quick to coment without context. AL isnt the only state looking at abortion laws. TX had one going thru that had the woman penalized, and he didnt support it. I believe it stalled out due to the lack of support on this piece, so no not a straw man
I admit that I’m wrong and he was commenting on the Texas law and not the Alabama. My sincere apologies. I breezed over the article and didn’t see a fact stated plainly.
I am for the abolition of all abortion, including in cases of rape. The life of a baby born of rape is no lesser than a baby born in wedlock. I won’t apologize for that stance.
That being said, criminalizing the women is the same as the church’s stance against gays too long. We can’t minister to these people if we’re throwing them in jail.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:07 am to biscuitsngravy
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don’t think anyone wants to prosecute the women. It’s better to prosecute the doctors
does Bama law also provide for the 'dad' to be tracked down and prosecuted? 'dad' never seems to be mentioned in these debates.
(Not my quote you quoted.)
But the answer is no.
Men have been completely removed from the abortion decision. It has always been on the woman, and doctor that performs it. Need to give men abortion rights before you can penalize him for breaking them.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:09 am to TOSOV
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How is it a false dilemma?? Smh
It illogically and without any foundation whatsoever presumes that one cannot help these women without allowing doctors to kill their offspring.
And as 3nout noted, it is a straw man because the bama law at issue doesn't seek to penalize women. [as edited re: Texas law--but the false dilemma still stands]
Any other questions, Protagoras?
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:19 am to 3nOut
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That being said, criminalizing the women is the same as the church’s stance against gays too long. We can’t minister to these people if we’re throwing them in jail.
I haven't taken the time to read the Texas stuff. What is the proposed crime re: the mother?
Practically speaking, if you outlaw the abortion procedure then clinics and "doctors'" offices that now perform abortions would disappear or go black market.
So, I'm trying to think of the way in which a mother would be implicated. It seems it would have to be either getting busted as part of a "sting" or "raid" of an illegal operation. Or someone the woman confided to rats out the woman (that would apply to mother-performed-abortions).
It seems too isolated and impracticable to enforce to ever be a true issue.
Is Texas really taking this on?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:31 am to 3nOut
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I admit that I’m wrong and he was commenting on the Texas law and not the Alabama. My sincere apologies. I breezed over the article and didn’t see a fact stated plainly.
Thanks for the clear up. I didnt read it either, but just knew about it, since he mentioned it in his sermon this past Sunday.
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I am for the abolition of all abortion, including in cases of rape. The life of a baby born of rape is no lesser than a baby born in wedlock. I won’t apologize for that stance.
I'm there next to you on this as well, no doubt. Seriously though, not sure if you are married, and have kids, but definitely would highly recommend you find 30 or so mins to hear his sermon I posted. I dont know if it includes the whole hour-ish in the link or just the 30-ish min 2nd half with the sermon.
He wrapped in all we are dealing with in 30 mins, and it's a gut punch of a sermon. Like the "uncomfortable" kind being given a reality check of where one is as a Christian.
I would recommend parents listen to it, and set times to listen to it with their teen kids. Teach them the base of Christian belief on sexual behavior within marriage, outside of it, homosexuality, and cant say it better.
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That being said, criminalizing the women is the same as the church’s stance against gays too long. We can’t minister to these people if we’re throwing them in jail.
Not 100% on the connection here. Were gays being criminalized? Just like any sin it needs not to be acceptable, but continue to pray that the negative behavior ends.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:42 am to McLemore
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It illogically and without any foundation whatsoever presumes that one cannot help these women without allowing doctors to kill their offspring.
Como que?? Yeah I got a question....How does this have anything to do with charging the woman??
And no the bill, that had the penalizing the woman piece in it, didnt get out of the initial committee. Due to no support for that by people like Dr Graham, and obviously the mostly left leaning committee took advantage of that.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:47 am to TOSOV
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Not 100% on the connection here. Were gays being criminalized? Just like any sin it needs not to be acceptable, but continue to pray that the negative behavior ends
Gays weren’t criminalized. What I meant is the church saying “eww those people are icky and terrible and we don’t want anything to do with them” without being willing to love on them despite their sin is the same approach. The church will take a long time to make up for treating homosexuals like lepers and not ministering to them.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 8:52 am to L.A.
So many pastors today are so adamant about not offending the world that they forsake God in service of their true masters. Are there any hairlegged men left that aren’t ashamed to preach the Word of God?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:04 am to L.A.
From what I remember of the bible, it seemed pretty clear that injuring children was frowned upon. Maybe I read a different translation or something.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:20 am to 3nOut
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What I meant is the church saying “eww those people are icky and terrible and we don’t want anything to do with them” without being willing to love on them despite their sin is the same approach. The church will take a long time to make up for treating homosexuals like lepers and not ministering to them
Well, lepers don't advocate for leprosy, nor do they deny that it is a disease. And Jesus told us to shake the dust of our sandals off at the unpenitent. There's too much of this "the church has a dark history of not fellowshipping with the unpenitent sodomite" silliness going around today...and it needs to be challenged and slapped down when it raises its ugly head.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:24 am to Boatshoes
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There's too much of this "the church has a dark history of not fellowshipping with the unpenitent sodomite" silliness going around today...and it needs to be challenged and slapped down when it raises its ugly head.
Nah. Homosexual sex is a sin but it’s not a worse sin than lying, sleeping with somebody you’re not married to, cheating on taxes, or anything else.
While I can disagree with the gay mafia, Jesus told me to love them. I’m going to err on the side of kindness there.
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