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re: Meet Heather Shaner. She's a DC Public Defender who has represented 43 J6 defendants
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:27 pm to OWLFAN86
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:27 pm to OWLFAN86
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I thought conservative groups offered legal representation to those accused
I’m not sure, but it appears not. I remember thinking going to protest on January 6 was a bad idea. It looked like a set up to me at the time. I remember commenting to my wife that it wasn’t going to accomplish anything but get you put on the radar of the Feds.
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Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:31 pm to riccoar
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If you have the money for high paid, experienced, and deeply engrained legal representation you have a great chance.
Great? No.
Better than over-worked PDs in state court? Yes.
I am quite sure that PDs in federal court don't have the same case load issues as what you find in state court and they're highly qualified. Where you run into issues are funding for investigations and experts within your case compared to someone with the proverbial blank check.
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In fiscal year 2022, only 290 of 71,954 defendants in federal criminal cases – about 0.4% – went to trial and were acquitted, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of the latest available statistics from the federal judiciary. Another 1,379 went to trial and were found guilty (1.9%).
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The overwhelming majority of defendants in federal criminal cases that year did not go to trial at all. About nine-in-ten (89.5%) pleaded guilty, while another 8.2% had their case dismissed at some point in the judicial process, according to the data from the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts.
Pew
Now that data includes petty crimes and misdemeanors, so while the conviction rate is lower, it also includes misdemeanors that can be dismissed without much notice.
But you can see the trial data. 0.4% chance that year to go to trial and win.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:31 pm to NC_Tigah
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Whoa! You just swapped "undisputed" for "honestly disputed"?
Well yeah. A dishonest "dispute" isn't a real dispute
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:38 pm to NC_Tigah
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So you think "cite and release" is the remedy for our shitty legal system?
Isn't pretrial detention one of the biggest complaints of those who defend the J6 defendants?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 3:51 pm to L.A.
Unlike Cheney, Hutchinson, Dunn, Fanone, Gonell, et al...who were all rewarded with book deals, this (newly defined) blue-haired grandma got her payoff via a documentary that came out last May, featuring 2 of her J6 "clients".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Defender_(2024_film)
According to the Wikipedia page, there looks to be 2 versions (not sure) of the doc...51 min & 40 min.
The 40 min version is shown along with a short article here:
The New Yorker Documentary
The Executive Producer is Richard Schiff
"He founded and was the artistic director of the Manhattan Repertory Theatre in New York City. He is active in politics and social causes and is on the board of The Creative Coalition and Counsel for a Liveable World, along with being an active fundraiser for the ACLU and Public Counsel."
The Pulitzer Center
Here's the Fed Sentencing Memo document (w/pics) for one of the featured J6ers, Jack "Liberty Dragon" Griffith.
GOVERNMENT’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM
[/img] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Defender_(2024_film)
According to the Wikipedia page, there looks to be 2 versions (not sure) of the doc...51 min & 40 min.
The 40 min version is shown along with a short article here:
The New Yorker Documentary
The Executive Producer is Richard Schiff
"He founded and was the artistic director of the Manhattan Repertory Theatre in New York City. He is active in politics and social causes and is on the board of The Creative Coalition and Counsel for a Liveable World, along with being an active fundraiser for the ACLU and Public Counsel."
The Pulitzer Center
Here's the Fed Sentencing Memo document (w/pics) for one of the featured J6ers, Jack "Liberty Dragon" Griffith.
GOVERNMENT’S SENTENCING MEMORANDUM
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:02 pm to RFK
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An attorney who starts out with “you’re a patriot and Biden is a usurper” isn’t going to make much headway in court.
From your own head canon and where else has anybody remotely suggested this from any attorney?
The fiction you have to invent to then convince yourself you are correct & on the moral Highground of this issue is mind boggling.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:02 pm to L.A.
If this is true, which even in DC I find it very hard to believe, I am going to assume this woman no longer has her license to practice. If there ever was cause for disbarment, this would be it.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:04 pm to the808bass
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I would guess they were appointed her because they didn’t have several tens of thousands of dollars in cash to hire a lawyer.
Were they not afforded a public defense atty? It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t. Not sure how that works for alleged fed crimes though
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:06 pm to L.A.
"“My function as an attorney was not to convert them politically. My function was to make them understand what our foundation documents are, what our constitutional rights are, what our civic responsibilities are,” she said.
Shaner said she sent each of her clients at the D.C. jail copies of the Constitution, “The Federalist Papers,” Thomas Paine's writings and videos of their own actions on Jan. 6.
“I mean, if you start out with a whole bunch of baloney and you don't know it's baloney, you're going to keep exercising your choices based on incorrect information,” she said."
LINK
Shaner said she sent each of her clients at the D.C. jail copies of the Constitution, “The Federalist Papers,” Thomas Paine's writings and videos of their own actions on Jan. 6.
“I mean, if you start out with a whole bunch of baloney and you don't know it's baloney, you're going to keep exercising your choices based on incorrect information,” she said."
LINK
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:15 pm to Big4SALTbro
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Other professions boards would absolutely shred their license for this. Lawyers very rarely discipline their own
Shred her license for what? Everything I have seen shows she got good deals for her clients.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:26 pm to JimEverett
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Everything I have seen shows she got good deals for her clients.
The demand for things to be offended by is drastically outweighed by the supply of things to be offended by.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
I do find it odd that she represented 46 January 6 defendants. I am not sure why that was allowed. Seems like a minefield for potential conflicts.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Bondless C&R has virtually nothing to do with the assumed guilt inherent in pretrial detention.
Isn't pretrial detention one of the biggest complaints of those who defend the J6 defendants?
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:37 pm to Dolphinepride
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My function as an attorney was not to convert them politically. My function was to make them understand what our foundation documents are, what our constitutional rights are, what our civic responsibilities are,” she said.
No you dumbass. Your function as an attorney was to zealously represent them, and advise them as to what their rights are. You aren’t your client’s life counselor nor are you there to explain to them what their political opinions should be.
This is just fricking disgusting to me in every way
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:39 pm to JimEverett
quote:Oh my, do share the really great deals of Ms Blue Hair ....
Everything I have seen shows she got good deals for her clients
..... for her clients, schmuck penises, as she describes them
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:40 pm to idlewatcher
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Were they not afforded a public defense atty? It wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t. Not sure how that works for alleged fed crimes though
From the "New Yorker" link in my previous post, not far above this one...
"Shaner, who was assigned to defend him, after he was indicted on four federal charges, because he could not afford a lawyer"
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:41 pm to Wednesday
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Your function as an attorney was to zealously represent them, and advise them as to what their rights are. You aren’t your client’s life counselor nor are you there to explain to them what their political opinions should be.
Guiding them on these issues got them better resolutions. That is 100% her job.
Some of these people were so programmed with Q nonsense they had to be deprogrammed just to understand this reality (ignoring any potential sincerity).
Like it was pointed out in an exchange on page 2, this admission and statements like regret, etc. were part of their plea deals. You had to educate them to understand why admitting their culpability was in their best interest. That's her job, 100%.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Weird post. Very weird.
The demand for things to be offended by is drastically outweighed by the supply of things to be offended by.
Same challenge stands counsellor.
Please do share the really great deals of Ms Blue Hair ....
for her clients (aka, schmuck penises as she describes them)
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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Bondless C&R has virtually nothing to do with the assumed guilt inherent in pretrial detention.
It's the same thing, effectively.
What do you think the alternative to bail reform is? Pretrial detention.
Posted on 1/6/25 at 4:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yet still not a single fact cited.
Guiding them on these issues got them better resolutions
But, based on her professional appearance, conduct, and "Jury Trial Results," would you like us to just take your word for it?
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