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McCabe's action...not treason
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:53 am
I think many are throwing around the word treason too liberally and in doing so using it incorrectly.
You cannot commit an act of treason during peacetime.
so I think it's more appropriate to use the term Sedition.
Here is the code for Sedition which fits perfectly:
So, lock them up for a long, long time. But there won't be any gallows in their future.
You cannot commit an act of treason during peacetime.
quote:
Treason. The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies. ... The Treason Clause applies only to disloyal acts committed during times of war. Acts of dis-loyalty during peacetime are not considered treasonous under the Constitution.
quote:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
so I think it's more appropriate to use the term Sedition.
Here is the code for Sedition which fits perfectly:
quote:
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both. (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
So, lock them up for a long, long time. But there won't be any gallows in their future.
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:56 am to Jobu93
We'll start using the word properly when they do.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 10:58 am to Jobu93
We are at war. AMUF has been in place for almost 20 years.
ETA: but you are right. Sedition is the correct term.
ETA: but you are right. Sedition is the correct term.
This post was edited on 2/20/19 at 10:59 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:01 am to Jobu93
Is espionage considered different than treason? 2 people were executed, and 2 were imprisoned here in the US for providing info about the Manhattan project to the Soviets who at the time were "an ally". I thought this was considered treason pretty much.
It was during war time, but they aided "an ally" who later became an enemy.
It was during war time, but they aided "an ally" who later became an enemy.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:04 am to Jobu93
Why should the snowflakes get to be the only ones who get to rewrite definitions of words that no longer mean what they had meant up until the last eight or ten years?
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:04 am to timdonaghyswhistle
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We'll start using the word properly when they do.
This is not a good idea. If you try to match wits with a moron, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Stay on the high ground, and hope the country can stop acting so damn emotional and start acting reasonable, or dare I say logical.
It's a good idea to use correct labels or it will give the emotional left a reason to overreact and nothing can be communicated at that point.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:05 am to Jobu93
quote:
You cannot commit an act of treason during peacetime.
We’ve been at war for 20 years.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:05 am to Jobu93
quote:
so I think it's more appropriate to use the term Sedition.
Yeah this is equally ridiculous.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:09 am to russellvillehog
they were convicted of espionage and not treason. Espionage apparently has the death penalty.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:10 am to Jobu93
I can't understand how treason is not worse than espionage. I'd kill both.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:10 am to Jobu93
quote:
t's more appropriate to use the term Sedition.
Most of us have been doing this from the git-go.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:11 am to GumboPot
holy crap. the AMUF is a dumpster fire. That lone dissenter Dem back in 2001 had the right idea. Since it's inception it has been the vehicle for overreach.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:15 am to Jobu93
"Sedition" isn't being used properly either. I don't read every topic posted here, but I don't think anyone has been accused of trying to overthrow the Government, or to use force to oppose the authority of the Government. Discussing legal ways to remove Trump from office is not the same as attempting to overthrow the Government.
I guess some people could be accused of delaying the execution of laws of the Government, but I'm not sure how that is interpreted.
I guess some people could be accused of delaying the execution of laws of the Government, but I'm not sure how that is interpreted.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:16 am to russellvillehog
my guess is that with treason you need those two witnesses, and if the government's end goal was to kill them, the espionage that they were convicted of was more "getable" and the end result was the same.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:20 am to Jobu93
It’s not a crime to discuss invocation of a constitutional provision that might remove a sitting President. Even if you are serious.
Good fricking grief, people
Good fricking grief, people
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:20 am to Decatur
Any port in a storm for the Rexcatur class. 
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:22 am to Jobu93
I like this one. Allows imprisonment for life.
subversion
noun
sub·?ver·?sion | \ s?b-'v?r-zh?n , -sh?n\
Definition of subversion
1 : the act of subverting : the state of being subverted
especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within
Punishment for "serious" subversion starts at 10 years in prison and carries the possibility of life imprisonment, whereas punishment for "serious" cases of inciting subversion range from five to 15 years in prison (and only very rarely exceed 10 years)
subversion
noun
sub·?ver·?sion | \ s?b-'v?r-zh?n , -sh?n\
Definition of subversion
1 : the act of subverting : the state of being subverted
especially : a systematic attempt to overthrow or undermine a government or political system by persons working secretly from within
Punishment for "serious" subversion starts at 10 years in prison and carries the possibility of life imprisonment, whereas punishment for "serious" cases of inciting subversion range from five to 15 years in prison (and only very rarely exceed 10 years)
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:23 am to Jobu93
Let's call it Buggery. Back in my day that was a hanging offense.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:24 am to Zach
that's awesome.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:26 am to Jobu93
Technically we are at war, Congress declared it in a wishy washy way I believe during HWBush?
I think we get into sedition, conspiring, abuse of power, falsified FISa warrants, which essentially is going against the POTUS therefore the United States.
I think we get into sedition, conspiring, abuse of power, falsified FISa warrants, which essentially is going against the POTUS therefore the United States.
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