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re: Mayra Flores becomes first Mexican born woman to become member of Congress
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:12 pm to ronricks
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:12 pm to ronricks
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Like many Americans because of my lineage I don't need birthright citizenship to establish anything. It's moot. Doesn't matter one single iota. I'd be an American without it.
Ok. And? What is the point supposed to be? Has anyone said that you need to have been born in the United States to be a citizen even though you have US citizen parents? I haven't seen anyone in this thread say that.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 2:14 pm
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Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:12 pm to ronricks
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I’m not a supporter of social safety nets or the welfare state. Am I supposed to be ashamed by that?
No.
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I also don’t support Illegal Immigration or birthright citizenship
Neither do I and neither does my father. Yet you keep conflating illegal immigration with legal immigration.
If you believe that the American system is the best in the world at lifting people out of poverty like I do, then I don't see why poor immigrants shouldn't be welcomed here provided they do it legally, contribute to society and embrace our constitutional and free market principles. Because if they do these things, they will very likely end up succeeding in life.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:13 pm to Indefatigable
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I'm desperately trying to figure out what point you're trying to make, but all I can come up with is that you're foaming at the mouth over Republicans hypothetically not showing the same enthusiasm when a Democrat wins elections as they do when Republicans win.
Nobody should be showing enthusiasm about something so stupid and trivial. Goes for BOTH republicans and democrats.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:15 pm to ronricks
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Nobody should be showing enthusiasm about something so stupid and trivial. Goes for BOTH republicans and democrats.
--Enters partisan thread on an election result.
--For 8+pages "YoU gUYs should NOT CaRE AbouT this!!!!!!! It is SOOoo Stup!d and TrIvIal!!!!1!!!!!!"
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:18 pm to Indefatigable
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Ok. And?
There's a heck of a lot of people that need birthright citizenship in this country. I don't. It makes Mickey's web of contradictions irrelevant. To say that someone who was born in Mexico is just as much of an American as I am is laughable. Just like if I emigrated to Saudi Arabia it wouldn't make me a Saudi or if I emigrated to Poland a Pole. Race/ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:21 pm to Indefatigable
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--Enters partisan thread on an election result.
I've only pointed out how absurd partisan politics has become that we are forced into 'celebrating' for LGBTQ+ or Immigrants being elected into congress or political appointments. We will see how this goes in 5 months. I suspect the people who are big mad and arguing with me now will take the same position I have now when Flores loses her seat.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:21 pm to ronricks
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There's a heck of a lot of people that need birthright citizenship in this country. I don't
Ok? And?
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To say that someone who was born in Mexico is just as much of an American as I am is laughable.
Under the laws of the United States, every single US citizen is just as much of an American as you are. Your perception of what constitutes an American or makes one "more" American is not relevant in any way.
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ust like if I emigrated to Saudi Arabia it wouldn't make me a Saudi or if I emigrated to Poland a Pole.
Both countries have tiered citizenship, so you would be correct.
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Race/ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
Actually, in the two nations you have chosen to use, race and ethnicity have everything to do with it. You would be a Saudi citizen, or a Polish citizen. You will not be actually ethnically Saudi or Polish. There is no "American ethnicity". You're conflating semantics.
Regardless, using any example of any other country, all of which have their own, different laws, to make a point about US citizenship is mind-numbingly stupid.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:22 pm to ronricks
You lost me with that “La Raza” crap.
If you want to assimilate and boss shite north of the border, change that racist shite to something like
Fiesta Flux Flan.
If you want to assimilate and boss shite north of the border, change that racist shite to something like
Fiesta Flux Flan.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:24 pm to Indefatigable
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Regardless, using any example of any other country, all of which have their own, different laws, to make a point about US citizenship is mind-numbingly stupid.
Goes back to why I posted only 33 countries on planet earth have birthright citizenship. The other 170 odd countries know what they are doing and aren't stupid.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:27 pm to ronricks
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Goes back to why I posted only 33 countries on planet earth have birthright citizenship. The other 170 odd countries know what they are doing and aren't stupid.
Cool. Go back to 1868 and give em' hell. Don't know what to tell you. We have it.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:34 pm to Indefatigable
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Cool. Go back to 1868 and give em' hell. Don't know what to tell you. We have it.
Would it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if it were to be repealed by our Government?
Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we eliminated Legal Immigration?
Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we did mass deportations of Illegal Immigrants?
Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we were to take away the huge out of control Welfare/Social Safety net we have in this country?
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:36 pm to ronricks
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a person from Mexico or any other country being elected to Congress?
This^^^^ is not the same as this
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Illegal Immigrants and Anchor babies are going to be the downfall of this country.
I agree with the second statement. But is has no correlation to the first.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:37 pm to ronricks
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To say that someone who was born in Mexico is just as much of an American as I am is laughable.
It's laughable that you think someone who was born in Mexico but has lived here since they were 6 years old and is a legal citizen is somehow less American than you are.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:41 pm to ronricks
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Would it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if it were to be repealed by our Government?
Racist? No. Mean and unfair are subjective terms.
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Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we eliminated Legal Immigration?
Racist? Not if universally applied. Mean and unfair are subjective terms. It would also be very stupid policy and incredibly unpopular politically. In fact you are the only person I have ever seen or heard hold that position.
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Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we did mass deportations of Illegal Immigrants?
Racist? Not if universally applied. Mean and unfair are subjective terms.
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Would it be it be 'racist', 'mean' or 'unfair' if we were to take away the huge out of control Welfare/Social Safety net we have in this country?
Racist? Not if universally applied. Mean and unfair are subjective terms.
This post was edited on 6/17/22 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:43 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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It's laughable that you think someone who was born in Mexico but has lived here since they were 6 years old and is a legal citizen is somehow less American than you are.
Reality is they are Mickey. Just like if I were to emigrate to Poland or Hungary it wouldn't make me equal to them. We are from different countries and cultures. Just like how America and Mexico are different (though this is changing by the year) America is also different than Poland or Hungary and I wouldn't expect their people to consider me their equal because the truth is I am not. I am in their country and must respect it. Not the other way around.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:48 pm to Indefatigable
My point is this:
Before we explore any more Legal or Illegal Immigration in this country we must get our fiances in order. We must help legal native born Americans first. So, in doing that I would propose:
-a 5 year Legal Immigration moratorium.
-ending birthright citizenship
-mass deportations of all Illegal Immigrants no matter wealth, social status, or country of origin
Only after this can we start to allow Legal Immigration again and it will be based on a merit system and be limited to 10,000 a year total.
You likely disagree but we have to get America fixed first before taking on the World's problems. Our current way of doing things is not sustainable by any economic metric in 2022.
Before we explore any more Legal or Illegal Immigration in this country we must get our fiances in order. We must help legal native born Americans first. So, in doing that I would propose:
-a 5 year Legal Immigration moratorium.
-ending birthright citizenship
-mass deportations of all Illegal Immigrants no matter wealth, social status, or country of origin
Only after this can we start to allow Legal Immigration again and it will be based on a merit system and be limited to 10,000 a year total.
You likely disagree but we have to get America fixed first before taking on the World's problems. Our current way of doing things is not sustainable by any economic metric in 2022.
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:50 pm to Rouge
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Where are the blue checkmarks screaming this from the rooftops???
I assume on twitter? Do you go on twitter?
Posted on 6/17/22 at 2:52 pm to ronricks
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Reality is they are Mickey. Just like if I were to emigrate to Poland or Hungary it wouldn't make me equal to them. We are from different countries and cultures. Just like how America and Mexico are different (though this is changing by the year) America is also different than Poland or Hungary and I wouldn't expect their people to consider me their equal because the truth is I am not. I am in their country and must respect it. Not the other way around.
America isn't one single culture. Someone from Mississippi probably wouldn't fit in if they moved to New Jersey or San Francisco.
This isn't your country alone. It's yours and theirs, even if they have different cultures than you do.
America has always been a melting pot. It's a huge country with many different backgrounds, history, and cultures. None are "more American" than the other.
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