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Marines not ready for combat

Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:40 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:40 pm
From The American Spectator

American Spectator website

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Consequently, when the Trump administration decided to institute a naval blockade of Iran rather than to try to seize Kharg Island, I gave a sigh of relief that the Marine Corps would not have to attempt an amphibious assault. I am aware that many active duty officers were doing the same because they know in their hearts that the Corps is not ready to fight the major urban campaign that it would have to face in Kharg’s heavily industrialized interior. Despite the Pentagon’s crowing about having two Marine Corps Expeditionary Units (MEUs) in waters off Iran, the Marine Corps lacks the basic tools needed to conduct urban combat. Marines currently lack tanks, heavy engineers, and school-trained snipers required to wage modern urban battles.

Up until 2020, the Marines had all three of these assets, and those proved critical in their success in taking Najaf, Fallujah, and Ramadi during the war in Iraq. The 38th commandant transformed the Corps into a defensive missile-firing organization focused against the Chinese in the South China Sea in something called “Force Design.” He needed to come up with the money to buy its missiles and radars. Instead of asking Congress for this new capability, he decided to use internal funds by divesting the Marine Corps of existing assets, including the tanks, heavy engineers, and the sniper school. His rationale was that large amphibious operations were no longer possible due to missiles and armed drones. When appalled senior retired Marines voiced strong objections to this radical move, he assured them that if tanks and heavy engineers were needed, the Army could provide them. He also seemed to believe that improvements in rifle sights could make any Marine rifleman a competent sniper. ...

Augmenting the Marines with tanks and heavy engineering equipment would be much more complicated than the 38th commandant believes. Teaching soldiers to load and offload such assets aboard amphibious ships and landing craft would take months of training. The same holds true in integrating them into Marine Corps infantry units; it would take many weeks at a minimum. To date, none of that has been done. School-trained snipers also proved crucial in Iraq urban combat, as it has for both sides in the Russo-Ukrainian War. During Urban Warrior, units that did not use combined-arms tactics suffered up to 80 percent simulated casualties, whereas units in Fallujah and Ramadi suffered less than 10 percent killed and wounded once Urban Warrior-generated improvements were implemented.

There is no doubt in my mind that if ordered to storm Kharg, the tenacity, skill, and resourcefulness of the young Marine rifleman would prevail, but once landed, the Marines would have to assault inland through urban terrain defended by fanatic Revolutionary Guardsmen. The Marines would win, but it would take longer and with much higher casualties than would be the case if they had the proper tools to do the job. We can only hope that rectifying those deficiencies will be noted in the post-war after-action review.


Marines were ready for the post-9/11 urban combat in places like Najaf, Fallujah, and Ramadi because the 30th commandant had directed the Marine Corps Warfighting Lab to concentrate on improving the Corps’ urban combat skills in a series of experiments, exercises, and wargames called Urban Warrior in the late 1990s. Although the Lab developed some new technologies to assist city fighting, it also recognized the need for the tank-engineer-sniper triad in reducing casualties and increasing the lethality of friendly forces.

At the risk of getting too deep in the weeds regarding urban tactics, the combined arms approach worked as follows: Marine infantry would advance on a target building behind the tanks. The highly accurate tank guns would suppress fire from the defenders, while snipers would act in a counter-sniper capacity, watching the flanks and rear. Heavy engineer bulldozers were used to level particularly troublesome structures and clear supply routes of rubble.

All of those are now missing from the Marine Corps inventory.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:43 pm to
For those, like myself, that are wondering who the person referenced is...

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General David H. Berger was the 38th Commandant of the Marine Corps, serving from July 11, 2019, to July 10, 2023. A native of Woodbine, Maryland, and a 1981 graduate of Tulane University, Berger commanded at all levels and was key to the development of the Force Design 2030 modernization strategy.


Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13213 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:44 pm to
Your title and the title from the article are not the same.

It's a bit misleading.

Why is that?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

Marine infantry would advance on a target building behind the tanks. The highly accurate tank guns would suppress fire from the defenders, while snipers would act in a counter-sniper capacity, watching the flanks and rear. Heavy engineer bulldozers were used to level particularly troublesome structures and clear supply routes of rubble.

All of those are now missing from the Marine Corps inventory.

Because they have drones now

Why risk the lives of men, when you can clear an area using drones?
quote:

prplhze2000

Oh, its you

Sorry I bothered
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:47 pm to
quote:

prplhze2000


Another delusional leftist living in a theatrical fantasy as if it’s real life.

Posting an opinion article from some obscure website as if it’s a legit news article
Posted by Kafka
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:54 pm to
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Marines not ready for combat
bunch of pussies

Just let some coast guard girls do the fighting





















Gaucho is offline and PMed that to me to post for him
Posted by HubbaBubba
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Member since Oct 2010
51768 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:57 pm to
How in the ever loving hell did we go from seizing Madura and getting out without a death or injury if they are that inept?
Posted by the TUSK
In your head.
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 11:05 pm to
LINK
eh kay.
Posted by FLTech
he/won
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:21 am to
I didn't read all of that but the Marines are not needed in airstrikes and that's the only type of war Donald Trump or JD Vance will ever get us in
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24848 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:28 am to
Kind of reminds me how just before the Afgan war, the press said the Afgans would destroy us in the mountains. Showed barefoot Afgan soldiers running around the mountains barefoot and spoke of how tough they were.

Of course, what really happened was several small groups of special forces and air power pushed them backed two hundred miles with only a few casualties.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:33 am to
quote:

prplhze2000


You jerked off while reading, didn’t you?
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 3:40 am to
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Up until 2020, the Marines had all three of these assets,


Hmmm...
Posted by WheyCheddar
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 3:58 am to
Yeah that never happens here. All the TD Trump loving sources are always fully vetted. Like when they said Catholics love Trump even more when he shits on the pope.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 4:02 am to
I’m no military expert by any stretch of the imagination but here is my 2 cents anyway. Taking tanks away from the Marine arsenal so fast feels like the same great decision that the Military made during Vietnam. They thought dog fighting was a thing of the past so they didn’t focus on it and famously didn’t even put any guns on the F4 Phantom initially. During that period the U.S. Military made pilots totally reliant on air to air missiles. The missile we had at the time was poor and to make matters worse the stupid rules of engagement pilots had required them to get a visual id on the target so they couldn’t use the one advantage they had which was shooting from distance.

I hope the Marines do not get into a situation where in the future Marines take more casualties than they should have because they totally got rid of tanks and other assets. Modern warfare has made tanks obsolete but I don’t know if they should totally be done away with just yet.

As far as Kharg Island goes I don’t think they need to take it. The economic effects the blockade is having pretty much mimics taking Kharg Island. There are several islands in the Gulf that would be better targets and really help in opening the Strait of Hormuz.
Posted by Tom288
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 4:21 am to
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He also seemed to believe that improvements in rifle sights could make any Marine rifleman a competent sniper.


That's the most POG shite I have EVER seen. This idiot probably thinks you could fast track Call of Duty e-Sports players into CAG selection.
Posted by Woolfpack
Member since Jun 2021
1715 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 5:33 am to
I think everyone would agree that we need to figure out drone warfare before we send in the marines. Does Iran even have the type of drones that make foot soldiers easy targets? I would assume they do, unless proven otherwise.

Sean Ryan, an ex navy SEAL podcaster, talked about his experience while visiting a drone manufacturer. He says it’s a completely different ballgame now that the small cheap drones are used in combat. He says there is nothing you can do to evade them once they lock onto you. A controller can fly 10 of them into an area and have 9 of them hover, out of range, while he targets an individual or piece of equipment, lock it on a target then switch to the next drone, locking it on the next target. Once it’s locked on a target, that’s it, game over, there is no evading it.

Humans didn’t even exist yet when pterodactyls were around so it’s not even in our dna to deal with this threat. How do small mammals deal with the threat from owls? Maybe something like the old school chain link baseball backstop behind home plate can prevent the drone from getting close enough to wound a dug in soldier. Maybe smoke from a tire fire could blind them. I don’t know but it seems like a high possibility of a complete bloodbath, if Iran has these types of weapons.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:36 am to
American Spectator is leftist?
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 6:37 am
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:41 am to
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Yeah that never happens here. All the TD Trump loving sources are always fully vetted. Like when they said Catholics love Trump even more when he shits on the pope.


Well thank you hero, for still posting here.
Posted by leeman101
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2020
2644 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:46 am to
quote:

Humans didn’t even exist yet when pterodactyls were around so it’s not even in our dna to deal with this threat. How do small mammals deal with the threat from owls? Maybe something like the old school chain link baseball backstop behind home plate can prevent the drone from getting close enough to wound a dug in soldier. Maybe smoke from a tire fire could blind them. I don’t know but it seems like a high possibility of a complete bloodbath, if Iran has these types of weapons.


What about a signal jammer? Seems you just need to know the frequency they operate on.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8841 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:47 am to
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That's the most POG shite I have EVER seen. This idiot probably thinks you could fast track Call of Duty e-Sports players into CAG selection.

Berger was a grunt
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