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re: Man in NC gets car wrecked by Hispanics & arrested because he held them till police came.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:26 am to RelentlessAnalysis
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:26 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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It does not make them any less “witnesses.“
It does make them a hell of a lot more biased and unreliable than the bystanders who have nothing to lose or gain by the outcome.
And yet the guy was still charged on what we agree is likely the testimony of two completely unreliable witnesses.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 9:28 am
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Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:27 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Undoubtedly.quote:It does make them a hell of a lot more biased and unreliable than the bystanders who have nothing to lose or gain by the outcome.
It does not make them any less “witnesses.“
Again, weighing the credibility of witnesses is a jury question.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:28 am to imjustafatkid
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"ethnic intimidation,"
At the risk of sounding like sfp, can someone define this for me? Maybe you, ra? You seem to be very knowledgeable about this topic.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:30 am to Screaming Viking
quote:Since it is a criminal charge, it is undoubtedly defined in North Carolina statutes.
"ethnic intimidation," At the risk of sounding like sfp, can someone define this for me? Maybe you, ra? You seem to be very knowledgeable about this topic.
If I were you, I would start there.
EDIT
NCGS §14-401.14. I did not read it to confirm
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:34 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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Yep
And someone ELSE clearly said he did so, or there would be no charges. Resolving that conflict is why we have juries.
Yes, the actual criminals here claimed the victim was the aggressor.
The moron cops, and you, went right along with it.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:35 am to imjustafatkid
This is why I no longer “back the blue”. They could use common sense, but instead choose to enforce stupid narratives.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:36 am to novabill
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How did he hold 2 people who surely wanted to flee?
Why is he holding the passengers?
Witnesses said he just put his hand on their shoulders and told them not to leave.
Their vehicle just rammed his going at high speed while he was stopped in a parking lot. If you truly believe he was certain which one was the driver, there's no helping you.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:39 am to RelentlessAnalysis
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weighing the credibility of witnesses is a jury question.
Not entirely, no.
The DA has to decide whether the case is provable (as someone pointed out in the thread on the guy shot in the head), and the cops make judgement calls all the time (sometimes after having consulted the DA while on the scene) about whether to make an arrest or not in the first place. And in both cases the credibility of the witnesses factor into those decisions.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 9:39 am
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:42 am to imjustafatkid
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If you truly believe he was certain which one was the driver, there's no helping you.
He absolutely could have known which one was the driver, if he watched them exit the car.
Especially if one of them was 6'2" and weighed 265 lbs and the other was 5'4" and weighed 160 lbs.
We don't know enough details to know those things.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:45 am to wackatimesthree
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He absolutely could have known which one was the driver, if he watched them exit the car.
Especially if one of them was 6'2" and weighed 265 lbs and the other was 5'4" and weighed 160 lbs.
We don't know enough details to know those things.
Based on the video of the criminal car hitting the victim car, I'm surprised the driver of the victim car was able to get out at all. That he was able to hold 2 of the illegals till cops arrived is simply amazing.
If it were me, my first instinct would be to check on my passenger (who was injured), and then get out of the car and survey damage. At that point, perhaps I would have noticed one person trying to leave the scene. I guess I'd only have known with certainty that this person was the driver if I saw him leap out after I was already out of the car. Wish we could see the video of that part.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 9:47 am
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:46 am to imjustafatkid
You can’t hold anyone with a gun and kick them after a traffic accident if they are trying to flee. I’m pretty sure that law is universal in the United States of America.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:48 am to imjustafatkid
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That he was able to hold 2 of the illegals till cops arrived is simply amazing.
Yeah, and that's the part where the gun has to have come in.
I'm thinking without that he just gets knocked down by two guys at once and they still run off.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:49 am to LSUTANGERINE
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You can’t hold anyone with a gun and kick them after a traffic accident if they are trying to flee. I’m pretty sure that law is universal in the United States of America.
Leaving the scene of an accident is a crime. We actually can detain someone suspected of committing a crime. It appears the law in NC even allows for that.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 9:50 am to wackatimesthree
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Yeah, and that's the part where the gun has to have come in.
I'm thinking without that he just gets knocked down by two guys at once and they still run off.
The owner of the store he was leaving, the only impartial witness currently speaking publicly, stated she did not see a gun. His passenger also says he did not have a gun.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:01 am to imjustafatkid
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Leaving the scene of an accident is a crime. We actually can detain someone suspected of committing a crime. It appears the law in NC even allows for that.
Thank you. I see that as well. I see he is not being charged for unlawful, detainment, or attempt to kidnapping. I wonder if the other charges with a gun and physical assault will stand.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:16 am to imjustafatkid
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The owner of the store he was leaving, the only impartial witness currently speaking publicly, stated she did not see a gun. His passenger also says he did not have a gun.
Yeah, I know.
And you can see me upthread arguing about how the only likely witnesses who did see a gun are the two who crashed the car. And they are biased and unreliable.
And yet, they didn't just push the guy down between the two of them and keep running.
Why, you reckon?
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:23 am to jrobic4
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Can Chicken or one of the mods please make this guy go back to his original username, "AggieHank"?!
I seem to remember AggieHank was an argumentative conservative. This user seems further left.
Posted on 12/26/25 at 10:26 am to GregMaddux
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Who the frick is this.
That's the city in NC.
We are Zebulon man!
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:07 am to wackatimesthree
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And yet, they didn't just push the guy down between the two of them and keep running.
Why, you reckon?
Oh I'm sure they thought he had a gun. He may have even told them he did. Doesn't really change anything if he didn't actually have one.
I also think it would have been totally lawful for him to pull a gun and hold them there, that just doesn’t appear to have happened.
ETA: The owner of the store almost certainly supplied the surveillance video. She would know.
This post was edited on 12/26/25 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/26/25 at 11:13 am to jrobic4
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AggieHank
Aka Pedohank
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