re: Man dead after refusing to show police ID

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I just am curious where these ppl like dawgfan come from. I'm pretty young (25) but I feel as if I've met alot of ppl from different walks of life and if this police issue ever came up, we would be in lock-step agreement. Theres not a single one of my friends who has much positive to say about the police (granted alot of them are black so there may be a little bit of a sampling bias there ). But low and behold nothing changes, so clearly the people in power don't share the same view.

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Probably older, middle class to upper middle class folks who like order, and have grown up with the belief you should respect authority regardless of who that authority is.

Interestingly some will claim to be for smaller govt with less power and the military and police departments are the enforcement arms of that power.

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I blame it on society in general. A few voices in the wilderness may cry "foul" but the overwhelming majority of people (IMO) want a very orderly society at the expense of the rights of others. They don't care what the police do as long as they keep the bad folks away from them.

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I think it's a little more complicated than that. Most people seem to want law and order with reagrds to the laws and order they prefer.

I mentioned in a post a few days back about chatting with some good ol boys down here about gun control. I asked them if the gov made AR-15s illegal, would they turn their guns in. To a man they all said they wouldn't. Then we started talking about the WoD and how our 4th Amend rights have been eroded by it. These boys had no problems with the loss of 4th Amend rights when it was cops searching and seizing property of hippies and chicanos looking for drugs, but when they started thinking about how the loss of those rights exposed their gun caches to potential searches and seizures, they began to understand. Even if you disagree with someone, you should fight like hell for their rights because your rights may be next.

First they came for the Socialists...

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I'm 26 and I agree 100% with this post.

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DawgFan represents the rank and file of Republicans in the 80s. "Soft on crime" was how they attacked the Democrats. It was epitomized by Bush's Willie Horton attack ad against Dukakis. The position was in lock step with the War on Drugs. Another big government morass, eroding our rights, promoted by the Republican party.

They were statists but wouldn't admit it. To this day some still present this same small government/police state hypocrisy. DawgFan is one...


...or he's just trolling us. Damn, dirty dawgs.

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I'm 26 and I agree 100% with this post.

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When I was 26 I agreed 100% with that post but as I experienced life I changed my mind.

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You can't push that bullshite on me, I was there

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Sorry, you're wrong again.

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Although Bill Clinton advocated for treatment instead of incarceration during his 1992 presidential campaign, after his first few months in the White House he reverted to the drug war strategies of his Republican predecessors by continuing to escalate the drug war. Notoriously, Clinton rejected a U.S. Sentencing Commission recommendation to eliminate the disparity between crack and powder cocaine sentences. He also rejected, with the encouragement of drug czar General Barry McCaffrey, health secretary Donna Shalala’s advice to end the federal ban on funding for syringe access programs

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LINK

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In a speech in Mexico City on Friday, President Obama shut the door on any possibility that he'll support efforts in his second term to legalize certain recreational drugs.

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If Democrats were against the war on drugs, it would be over.

Bi-partisan roots of the war on drugs.

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The queen of the drug war, Nancy Reagan, said amid one of her innumerable sermons on the issue: "If you’re a casual drug user, you’re an accomplice to murder." In tune with this line of thinking, the Democratic-controlled Congress moved in 1988 to expand the crimes for which the federal death penalty could be imposed. These included drug-related murders, and murders committed by drug gangs, which would allow any gang member to face the death penalty if one member of the gang was linked to a drug killing. The new penalties were inscribed in an update of the Continuing Criminal Enterprises Act.

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So, live in la la land if you choose.

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Just the opposite. As a young guy, I trusted the government. As I've gotten older, I've learned why no one should.

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I'm 39, and I agree with this.

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As a young guy, I trusted the government.

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im 20 and i've never trusted the government at any level

Don't ever rely on LE to save your life, you fight for your own!! Quote a sheriff buddy of mine " shits over by the time we get there"

Just watched it again and think even more now that all 5 of those fricking pigs should spend time in jail. The lady needs to sue each one of them individually. And frickers taking up for those pigs are idiots. I to use to have respect for the cops until I turned 19-20 some 30 yrs ago now. And they have lost more and more of it over those yrs. if the NAACP should ever march our things ,this should be one. All five fired and be found guilty of manslaughter . Until they are made to punish they will continue to abuse their power.