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re: Mall of La / BR General petition for Annexation into City

Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:53 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:53 pm to
Trust them. Okay?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:56 pm to
Wrong thread for this buddy, but show me where we had a declining city budget or that we weren't spending millions on fountains , plazas or a stage during that period.

The truth is the police dept. was not as high a priority as some other projects and that was my beef.

Three years and no academy ???? Come on buddy, we could have afforded it if Kip had wanted it .
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23179 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 8:57 pm to
I mean, if they aren't just trying to get away from the poorer kids and families, then there are solutions to every problem. Start a petition to remove Dr. Taylor as Superintendent. Elect better school board members.
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:01 pm to
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I'm on record saying it's about the schools. I could care less about the city of SG but I think we have to have an ISD.


I 100% believe you.

I do not believe that 95% of the petition signers even know who their school board representative is. 99% of the petition signers who send their kids to private school do not know the name of their local public school principal, or why they are "terrible". We have a democratic process to resolve these things, and can choose to be involved in our community. I guess running away is a choice as well.

I believe we need provide better education opportunities for SEBR. I don't think the current St. George plans outlines or provides any reason to be optimistic that it will improve education. I think it is a silly assumption that affluent students will flock back to public schools simply because the name of the city changed. Not to mention St George will now be bussing kids from Gardere all the way to Woodlawn.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:02 pm to
They were trying to model a system after Zachary and Central who both grade out better than EBR.

EBR is a corrupt system and is shedding schools one or two at a time. The grades are not good.

It wouldn't be hard to improve the situation with an ISD.
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:03 pm to
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Elect better school board members.


now that is just crazy talk
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127023 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:05 pm to
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show me where we had a declining city budget

Once again your memory fails you. eTA: .....buddy.
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This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 9:09 pm
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80284 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:06 pm to
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Three years and no academy ???? Come on buddy, we could have afforded it if Kip had wanted it .


What do you have against dogs???
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:06 pm to
Explain away Zachary and Central systems .

But a debate on schools should be in another thread and not this one.
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:08 pm to
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They were trying to model a system after Zachary and Central who both grade out better than EBR.


The only thing St. George has in common with Zachary and Central is that they were unincorporated. Edit: Zachary was already incorporated. So St. George has zero in common with Zachary

Zachary and Central were actual communities already. People knew their neighbor, they were involved in their schools already.

The proposed St. George area has nothing in common and no interaction between each other. The neighborhoods abandoned their schools 20 years ago. Saying you will get Zachary and Central results with completely different demographics is ludicrous.

St. George is more comparable to Baker(a failure so far) than Central and Zachary
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 9:20 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127023 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:10 pm to
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The only thing St. George has in common with Zachary and Central is that they were unincorporated.
Zachary has been incorporated for over 100 years, fwiw.
This post was edited on 5/5/14 at 9:15 pm
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:13 pm to
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Zachary has been incorporated for almost 100 years,fwiw.


that is true, i was mistaken. Baker too
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
127023 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:17 pm to
I edited my post. It's "over" 100 years. 1889 to be exact.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
59015 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:24 pm to
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Sure I'm BR , lived here all my life.


quote:

I'm hopeless.



And that is exactly how I could never mistake you for anything but BR and those like it.

It's drilled into all of our heads from day one....Can't, won't work, not here, quit, move, negative negative negative NEGA MONSTER.... Baton Rouge will always be small and insignificant until the people stop seeing themselves as small and insignificant, not worth fighting for, building, investing in, etc.

God's honest truth of the matter, and you can take this to the bank...

If Baton Rouge was LSU, we wouldn't be satisfied until it was National Champion of cities every single year. We'd have the best food, the best nightlife, the best atmosphere, and the people would pack downtown like it does Tiger Stadium itself on said Saturday Night.

Guess what the extra bonus would be?

We wouldn't have to cram it all into a short season, but it could be year round.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:24 pm to
Wouldn't a link to year to year spending numbers or a year yo year budget numbers be more applicable ?

Revenue figures do not include federal funds which Obama was handing out to the cities .

But if I'm wrong I'll admit it. Kip put other things ahead of cops and we were about ten percent below strength.
Posted by Lloyd Christmas
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
4283 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

But if I'm wrong I'll admit it. Kip put other things ahead of cops and we were about ten percent below strength.


Not sure about your below strength number, but I agree Kip has made some bad calls. This was probably one of them. If you go looking for the good and the bad, you will find much more good.

People forget how awful our previous mayors were
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23179 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:30 pm to
It almost always boils down to poverty and income. The private schools in the area are generally very highly regarded. I would attribute a great deal of that to the types of families these kids are coming from. The other reasons are how well taken care of their teachers are so they attract the best in the area.

My hope is that with Kip and Jindal both improving the business climate in the region so much during their terms, not to mention the increased focus on trade schools that Jindal pushed, that the poverty issues will get better which will lead to better families and better children in our schools.

Zachary has the #1 school system in the state. They also have a average household income of $75,000. The Median household income for Baton Rouge is $30,000 (couldn't find the average).

I'm not saying every family that struggles with money has bad parents and bad kids, but I think there is definitely a correlation between income and student performance.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
23179 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

And that is exactly how I could never mistake you for anything but BR and those like it.

It's drilled into all of our heads from day one....Can't, won't work, not here, quit, move, negative negative negative NEGA MONSTER.... Baton Rouge will always be small and insignificant until the people stop seeing themselves as small and insignificant, not worth fighting for, building, investing in, etc.

God's honest truth of the matter, and you can take this to the bank...

If Baton Rouge was LSU, we wouldn't be satisfied until it was National Champion of cities every single year. We'd have the best food, the best nightlife, the best atmosphere, and the people would pack downtown like it does Tiger Stadium itself on said Saturday Night.

Guess what the extra bonus would be?

We wouldn't have to cram it all into a short season, but it could be year round.


Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:32 pm to
If you've watch various leaders sell the public good down the River as I have then you would know why do many are cynical.

The schools were not always terrible. The downtown was once relevant. Neighborhood were tight and people had a sense of community.

The present situation evolved and much of it has to fo with the schools and the Feds .

But you have no clue about me personally because much of what you want I want too, I just think without good schools well never get it.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36335 posts
Posted on 5/5/14 at 9:35 pm to
The article I linked said 70 cops short,

But this back and forth began after I have Kip credit in a lot of areas. I just pointed out one or two big issues I had with him .

Remember I voted for him twice , did you ?
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