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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?

Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
1626 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:44 pm to
A person I knew started using drugs as a teenager and was later diagnosed with schizophrenia. After he turned eighteen his parents could no longer make him stay in treatment. And he would go on and off treatment. He began drinking heavily and was going down fast.

His parents only option was to ask a judge to make him a ward of the state. The judge was able to require him to be in treatment. This guy has lived in a halfway house for probably thirty years and is doing as well as he can all because of the states ability to require treatment. Otherwise he would have drank himself to death.

There is absolutely a place for the power of the state in this process.
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
16726 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 12:55 pm to
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I know you think people born with mental illness are scum but it’s not the government’s job to shield you from people that make you uncomfortable. If someone is harassing you or doing something illegal- those things are already against the law. If your local PD refuses to enforce the laws, take it up with them.


I think people should not be allowed to put up a tent or a cardboard box and live somewhere they have no right to do so. Public parks are not camping sites, storefronts are not hostels.


If someone isn’t willing to live in a place they pay for, or in a government paid for housing why should society allow these people to use property that isn’t theirs.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 1:37 pm to
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It’s not against to law to be homeless

Which is better for the homeless person? Being under a bridge when it's 5° or being in a climate controlled building with three meals a day and available Medical Care? If that question is hard for you to answer you're a fricking mental retard
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
5947 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:08 pm to
There is absolutely not a system in place for people with drug abuse to be compelled into treatment by a judge, that is preposterous. Even court ordered rehab isn’t mandatory and an adult can leave at any time. The only people who can be forced into a mental institution are the criminally insane and even those spaces are extremely limited
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:18 pm to
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Which is better for the homeless person? Being under a bridge when it's 5° or being in a climate controlled building with three meals a day and available Medical Care? If that question is hard for you to answer you're a fricking mental retard


It doesn’t matter what I think or you think. Why do you think you can detain someone because YOU think it’s a better situation for the person?

Hey. I think you’d be more comfortable in prison so go there. And LOL that you think prisons offer adequate medical care.

This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 2:19 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:20 pm to
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If someone isn’t willing to live in a place they pay for, or in a government paid for housing why should society allow these people to use property that isn’t theirs.


Who owns public parks? You people think you deserve to be sheltered from everything you don’t find palatable.
Posted by Grumpy Nemesis
Member since Feb 2025
2033 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:41 pm to
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It doesn’t matter what I think or you think. Why do you think you can detain someone because YOU think it’s a better situation for the person?

Mentally ill people by definition required decision making assistance. But if a perfectly same person wants to stay homeless I'm fine with that. So you want to try again to defend your stupid fricking position
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:44 pm to
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Who owns public parks? You people think you deserve to be sheltered from everything you don’t find palatable.


Then why have building codes, housing codes etc if we can just put up a shanty wherever we choose?

People wouldnt mind the homeless taking over certain areas if they werent trashy shits who leave a huge public problem behind, trash and disease.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
34139 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 2:49 pm to
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But I’m for a limited government


No, you are not. Every post you have ever made proves that.

You are just for limiting government in areas you don't like.

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179704 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:01 pm to
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Who owns public parks?


Taxpayers. Do you think homeless people pay taxes?
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
22020 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:14 pm to
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion.


As a boomer, I can say from my knowledge of the streets, that the homeless of today do not represent what we saw in the 60's/70's. The homeless of today are mostly mental cases, and their conditions are magnified by high drug use and violent tendencies. These people are an open threat to normal citizens walking the streets- this never should have been allowed to occur! For the sake of the mentally ill and the innocent, a return to mental institutions is the only solution.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37982 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:26 pm to
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Here, a person can still check him/herself out of court-mandated rehab. They just have to deal with the consequences of that.

Yep. All the more reason to have jails that serve primarily as treatment facilities. The person may be sentenced to this treatment facility for 28 days or even up to a year or more. They can’t leave because it’s also a jail.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 3:31 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:31 pm to
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Taxpayers. Do you think homeless people pay taxes?


I’m sure every homeless person has paid sales tax before, which is used to support local infrastructure like public parks.

Kids don’t pay taxes and they are allowed to use parks.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:33 pm to
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No, you are not. Every post you have ever made proves that.


Link of these posts of mine that supports expanded government. It should be easy since your claims every post I’ve ever made does this.


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You are just for limiting government in areas you don't like.

Speak for yourself. I don’t trust the government at any level.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17645 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:35 pm to
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Seems like a giant overreach.


Pick a side Cubbie, you are all over the map. What do you support? All you do is cherry pick items to bitch about because it's muh Trump.

No way are you not for more government, and this a solution (to a point) for mental health issues. I thought you bleeding heart liberals liked to help people. Or is that just every election cycle?


Clean up your messaging.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63284 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:37 pm to
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There is absolutely not a system in place for people with drug abuse to be compelled into treatment by a judge,
Right, they can choose to otherwise go to jail.

I've known multiple people who were ordered to rehab - or jail.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:39 pm to
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I’m sure every homeless person has paid sales tax before,


Paid for by food stamps and SSI

Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179704 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:40 pm to
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I’m sure every homeless person has paid sales tax before, which is used to support local infrastructure like public parks.


Property taxes are usually the primary source of funding, but you know that.

Even so, paying sales tax does not give them the right to set up camp/home in the park.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297478 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:41 pm to
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Taxpayers.


Unfortunately the taxpayers end up having to clean up their messes they leave behind





Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
59277 posts
Posted on 7/25/25 at 3:44 pm to
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Pick a side Cubbie, you are all over the map. What do you support?


I support public education.

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you do is cherry pick items to bitch about because it's muh Trump
I complain way more about Landry and Cantrell than Trump.

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No way are you not for more government,
. I’m not for more government.

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and this a solution (to a point) for mental health issues

No it isn’t. There are no details and EOs can’t compel cities to transform how they deal with local social problems.

This is just more posturing.



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