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re: Make Mental Institutions Great Again?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:14 am to LSUTANGERINE
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I am describing the facilities as jails because it would be mandated.
People get mandated to sober living facilities now as part of diversion programs. The one I hire people from is a private facility run by two brothers, and the people live in duplexes that the brothers own in South Lake Charles.
There is another one owned by Lee Mallet right off of I-10 near Iowa, LA and it is on a large pond and pretty nice with public picnic areas for visiting families.
Do you consider those jails?
The people are "forced" to be there after their due process hearings. What's the difference?
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Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:15 am to 4cubbies
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The government should not be allowed to involuntary commit citizens at its discretion. But I’m for a limited government and I’m against the police state. Just some of the many ways we differ philosophical
The follow up question to this is what do you do with a crazy person that is a danger to themselves or others that doesn’t voluntarily admit themselves?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:15 am to 10tiger
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I’m implying that the left takes the easy way out, and makes blanket statements for political sound bites without knowing anything about the subject matter on which they speak
This is literally EXACTLY what this EO is
Like to a tee
quote:how is it a step in the right direction? It’s posturing.
I didn’t say that the EO would do this but it’s a step in the right direction
quote:I spend quite a bit of time with mentally ill poor people. The best outcome I’ve seen is when a younger man was able to qualify for permanent assisted housing AND get a placement. He has schizophrenia.
Spend a day wrestling with a patient having an entirely preventable episode and then having he or she return in a month because there is no resource for that person.
It sounds like you know enough to know how difficult it is to find permanent assisted housing.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:16 am to 4cubbies
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Addicts aren’t known for maintaining employment.
The ones in that facility have to work to pay rent or they get kicked out. Medicaid is not paying their rent and they don't get section 8. Many are there on court-ordered diversion, but they all get Medicaid.
Next time just say you don't know the answer.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:16 am to SquatchDawg
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what do you do with a crazy person that is a danger to themselves or others that doesn’t voluntarily admit themselves?
People like this are already able to be committed for 72 hours
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:17 am to SDVTiger
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There was a guy who walked into local small buisness coffee shop in downtown SD butt naked with his dong hanging
maybe VOR was visiting his boyfriend out there? tarzana?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:17 am to 4cubbies
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People like this are already able to be committed for 72 hours
Do you think that is sufficient time to help someone?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:18 am to 19
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Your gaped arse it is. This has been the norm all 50 years of my life when someone poses a threat to themselves or others. Back when people weren't shitting in the streets and snorting tranq.
Someone ignored the crack epidemic of the 1980s.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:19 am to 4cubbies
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People like this are already able to be committed for 72 hours
That’s not sufficient for somebody with a serious drug addiction or mental issues.
What do you do with these people after 73 hrs? Turn them loose to live on the street? That’s hardly humane.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:19 am to LSUTANGERINE
quote:this happened 20 years ago and nothing has been done to rectify it outside of throwing mentally ill people in jails and prisons.
I absolutely remember that. The downward spiral of the mental health system in the state began not long afterwards.
And he lied his arse off. I know this for a fact. He stated that the New Orleans adolescent hospital (NOAH) was not being utilized. That was a flat out lie. There was a waiting list for teenagers. They were so full that they frequently turned people away and had to find other locations.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:20 am to SquatchDawg
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What do you do with these people after 73 hrs? Turn them loose to live on the street? That’s hardly humane.
Give them their autonomy back. It’s not against the law to have mental illness or to be homeless (yet).
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:21 am to 4cubbies
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I spend quite a bit of time with mentally ill poor people. The best outcome I’ve seen is when a younger man was able to qualify for permanent assisted housing AND get a placement. He has schizophrenia.
Ive spent a lot of time with this issue, and yes...that is the goal.
However many cant abide by the rules required for housing, and end up back on the streets. Its the biggest problem locally.
They're usually in and out of housing many times before they give up.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:22 am to 4cubbies
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Give them their autonomy back.
Behavioral issues usually prevent this.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:23 am to LSUTANGERINE
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i’m not the one who downvoted you. I thought it was a legitimate question asking for a clarification.
it was.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:23 am to stout
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Do you consider those jails? The people are "forced" to be there after their due process hearings. What's the difference?
No, I don’t consider those jails.
For me, there is no difference between a judge mandating someone to a treatment facility or a judge sentencing someone to a treatment facility that also serves secondarily as a jail.
In one case, the person would be “sentenced“ to treatment with jail. The assumption there is that the person is being sentenced for some sort of legal charge.
In cases where someone might be mandated by a judge to a treatment facility, there may or may not be illegal charge. I would agree that in most cases there is some kind of legal charge.
My bigger point is that the current jails are equipped to handle those with mental illness or substance abuse. Having jails that serve “primarily“ as a treatment center would be another option for a judge who would ordinarily mandate someone to a treatment facility . But that would take a lot of resources and funding.
This post was edited on 7/25/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:23 am to 4cubbies
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I spend quite a bit of time with mentally ill poor people. The best outcome I’ve seen is when a younger man was able to qualify for permanent assisted housing AND get a placement. He has schizophrenia.
Then you know that the situation you describe is not reflective of the population. They don’t enjoy their meds so don’t stay on them leading to relapses. There is no protection against violence in this community if they are on their own. Sure some might thrive in this situation. Most don’t.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:23 am to 4cubbies
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It’s not against the law to have mental illness
IYO, do you think a mentally ill person is self-aware enough to realize they need help?
Do you think they are better off on the streets vs getting help, even if it is involuntary on their part?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:26 am to LSUTANGERINE
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there may or may not be illegal charge.
So your only concern is that, even though there is a due process to commit someone, it isn't sufficient unless it includes prosecution for a crime?
Do you live in the belief that mentally ill homeless people do not commit crimes?
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:27 am to stout
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The order aims to address the growing number of people with severe mental illness or substance use disorder who are living on the streets.
I'm more worried about liberal white-guilt lunatics that actually have jobs and homes. You know, like the ones in Portland, Seattle and Hoboken NJ.
I rarely worry about druggies and wackos on the street because they project every move and are typically easy enough to avoid with a little situational awareness. But your anqueefer types? If they're hiding or lacking the typical nose rings, eyebrow piercings and green hair, they blend right in and are extremely mentally deranged.
Posted on 7/25/25 at 9:29 am to stout
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do you think a mentally ill person is self-aware enough to realize they need help?
I’ve seen mentally ill people stabilize by voluntarily taking their meds. It does happen.
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Do you think they are better off on the streets vs getting help, even if it is involuntary on their part?
It’s not my place to make decisions like this for other adults.
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