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Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:47 pm to Jbird
Try some unbiased, easy to listen to, history.
Darryl Coopers, Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. Spotify, etc.
The first 30 minutes might intrigue you enough for the next 30 minutes.
It’s heavily criticized by Palestinians and Jews as being biased to the other.
As he says, over and over, from both sides, “what would you do?”
That’s my offering to you, my friend. We’re both Americans, and I’m sure you, like me, just want what’s best for Americans.

Darryl Coopers, Fear and Loathing in the New Jerusalem. Spotify, etc.
The first 30 minutes might intrigue you enough for the next 30 minutes.
It’s heavily criticized by Palestinians and Jews as being biased to the other.
As he says, over and over, from both sides, “what would you do?”
That’s my offering to you, my friend. We’re both Americans, and I’m sure you, like me, just want what’s best for Americans.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:56 pm to Grassy1
quote:
It’s easy to tell who has bothered to listen to anything pre-Oct 7.
Or who has bothered to read anything about conditions for Palestinians in Jerusalem and Gaza and the West Bank for the last several decades.
October 7 is indefensible, and so is the IDF’s treatment of Arabs and anyone who dares to advocate for Arabs in the region.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:58 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
How in the world does Rachel Corrie find her way into a Mahmoud Khalil thread?
The same way October 7 finds itself in this thread.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:02 pm to Jbird
No mother fricker they ain’t gassed your arse yet
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:03 pm to Jbird
Does he get to eat?
Has he sucked up any poisonous gas?
Has he sucked up any poisonous gas?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:11 pm to 4cubbies
quote:We'll that's an interesting response. You're equating 1200+ deaths with one >20yrs ago?
How in the world does Rachel Corrie find her way into a Mahmoud Khalil thread?
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The same way October 7 finds itself in this thread.
Of course not.
You're equating Khalil's familiarity with October 7 vs his familiarity with Rachel Corrie?
Of course not.
Are you excusing Khalil's group attacking US collegiate Jews as somehow culpable for acts of Israel?
Of course not????? ... I presume?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 9:21 pm to Diamondawg
quote:So the downvoter didn't read the book. Got it!
I wonder has he had to sleep on his elbows and knees to keep from freezing to death. That conductive heat loss with your body lying on a freezing slab of concrete is bad news.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:03 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
We'll that's an interesting response. You're equating 1200+ deaths with one >20yrs ago?
Nope. You asked how a person unrelated to Khalil made her way into the thread. I responded that it happened the same way an event unrelated to Khalil made its way into the thread.
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You're equating Khalil's familiarity with October 7 vs his familiarity with Rachel Corrie?
Of course not.
Nope. If you and others want to bring up an event that Khalil had nothing to do with as some sort of condemnation of him then I can bring up a different event that had nothing to do with him as a condemnation of the IDF.
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Are you excusing Khalil's group attacking US collegiate Jews as somehow culpable for acts of Israel?
You don’t want to call the guy who shot and killed an attendee at a Trump rally part of “Trump’s group” but you never miss an opportunity to claim Khalil was personally affiliated with every person who attended the same protest as he did. Just more hypocrisy from MAGA. I’m sure I’ll get to see several posts explaining how it’s different when attendees at Trump’s rallies shoot guns at other attendees but it’s unacceptable for attendees at this protest to inconvenience anyone.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:55 pm to Grassy1
You ran away from my answer to your earlier post...What if you offered that dog it's own yard and governance in 1994, 2000 and 2008 and it rejected it and began lobbing bombs at your house?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:56 pm to Jbird
The worst possible punishment one could sustain is being incarcerated in Jena, so I get his perspective.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 11:03 pm to 4cubbies
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Or who has bothered to read anything about conditions for Palestinians in Jerusalem and Gaza and the West Bank for the last several decades.
October 7 is indefensible, and so is the IDF’s treatment of Arabs and anyone who dares to advocate for Arabs in the region.
None of it is our business whatsoever. We can't fix it. No one can, and no one ever will. Its the most disputed property on Earth due to its religious significance. Religion isn't rational.
There is no solution, and the sooner the West realizes that and distances itself from that conflict, the better. I don't give a frick who controls Jerusalem, and neither should you. We're thousands of miles away.
Let them fight. One of the sides killing the other side is the only way it ends.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 4/19/25 at 5:06 am to 4cubbies
quote:What a bizarre answer.
You asked how a person unrelated to Khalil made her way into the thread. I responded that it happened the same way an event unrelated to Khalil made its way into the thread.
Oct 7th "made its way into the thread" because the grotesque, hate-filled, antisemite, whom you seem to be defending, put it there --- square in the crosshairs. Khalil said “The act of Palestinian resistance on October 7, known as the Al-Aqsa Flood, breached Israeli security and made significant military advances,” adding that it was “a day that will go down in history.” He's issued not one word of condemnation for the deaths of innocent kids, the rapes, the immolation of families in their dwellings, or the kidnappings which occurred.
His good friend and CUAD co-leader said “Zionists don’t deserve to live” and “Be grateful that I’m not just going out and murdering Zionists.” It was a threat which received no condemnation from Khalil, whatsoever. NONE! At the same time, CUAD was freely referring to any identifiable Jews on campus as "Zionists."
Did you catch that?
You have no problem with it?
So in the process, Jewish students at CU have been threatened, harassed for their faith, spat on, impeded from accessing facilities. and physically assaulted by Khalil's hate-filled antisemitic group. In the meantime, Khalil holds up his hands like Baghdad Bob, denying involvement in or endorsement of violence .... which for a praiser of Oct7th (among other things) is obviously farcical. There is plausible deniability, and there is implausible deniability. Khalil's is the latter. He's the David Duke of Campus Anti-Jewish Groups.
quote:He praised it.
If you and others want to bring up an event that Khalil had nothing to do with
quote:I've asked you a couple of times what in the world you are talking about with this "analogy," i.e., a reference to Butler or something else. You've refused to clarify. So at this point, I'll just make a blanket statement that it appears to be as idiotic, mindnumbingly stupid an analogy as could be imagined in a subject such as this. Perhaps that will provoke a clarification if there is one to be made. Perhaps not.
You don’t want to call the guy who shot and killed an attendee at a Trump rally part of “Trump’s group”
quote:Link?
you never miss an opportunity to claim Khalil was personally affiliated with every person who attended the same protest as he did
While you're at it, please link Khalil criticizing the conflation of campus Jews and "Zionists." Please link Khalil criticizing his gay, black friend and CUAD co-leader for promoting the murder of all so-called "Zionists."
Khalil is hate-filled garbage. It's one thing to promote a cause (i.e., I support Ukraine). It is another entirely to threaten, intimidate, or attack students on campus for no reason but their heredity or religious faith (i.e., I support Ukraine => Death to all people from Russia or descended from Russians). Khalil led a hate-filled group which consistently, reliably, predictably does the latter.
This post was edited on 4/19/25 at 5:08 am
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:34 am to Jake88
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You ran away from my answer to your earlier post...What if you offered that dog it's own yard and governance in 1994, 2000 and 2008 and it rejected it and began lobbing bombs at your house?
I wasn't at the negotiating table, any more than you were.
So you're just repeating a narrative that you've been told, just like Hamas "has been walking away from the table" since Oct 7.
Or is it Bibi, the one in the middle of his bribery/corruption trial that wants anything other than his "war with Hamas" to end. The war that keeps the US doing it's bidding and stirring more conflict, which kills more enemies of Israel, and more than likely gains Israel more land.
Do I think Hamas and the Palenstinians are wrong in their approach? Absolutely.
Do I think Israel is just as wrong since their actions since they decided in 1890 to build a nation where there were already people, in a region where they are the minority? Absolutely.
Should Israel be allowed to build a nation, and "defend themselves"? Absolutely.
Should they be using US taxpayer dollars (whether collected, borrowed, or printed)? Absolutely NOT.
But that's just my opinion.
What is it about Israel that you love so much to continue to pour US tax dollars, US lives, and US reputation into? What makes them your favorite nation?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:47 am to SallysHuman
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Isn't he a From the River to the Sea dude?
You mean part of Bibi’s Likud party? Since that is their party’s slogan and all?
Funny how one side uses the same slogan and is somehow immune to the criticism.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 8:54 am to Geauxgurt
quote:One uses it in reference to sovereignty, the other in reference to genocide. Aside from that small detail, you have a point.
Funny how one side uses the same slogan and is somehow immune to the criticism.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:01 am to Grassy1
It seems we disagree only a little. Hence, this is out of nowhere...
quote:
What is it about Israel that you love so much to continue to pour US tax dollars, US lives, and US reputation into? What makes them your favorite nation?
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:06 am to Jake88
So, now he is self-identifying as a persecuted Jew.

Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:08 am to Jake88
quote:
It seems we disagree only a little. Hence, this is out of nowhere...
quote:
What is it about Israel that you love so much to continue to pour US tax dollars, US lives, and US reputation into? What makes them your favorite nation?
So you don't believe that we should be pouring US tax payer dollars into Israel's defense and aggression? I'm sorry if I assumed incorrectly.
Posted on 4/19/25 at 9:14 am to Grassy1
quote:The 2000 Camp David Summit is fairly well documented. Do you consider it part of a "narrative"?
I wasn't at the negotiating table, any more than you were.
So you're just repeating a narrative that you've been told
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