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re: Macron says The war will end with "Pacified Russia."
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:13 pm to LARancher1991
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:13 pm to LARancher1991
They arent still producing the T62s etc. They have been refurbishing the massive stockpile they had leftover from the Cold War, but they are running out of those. They are producing a significant number of modern-ish tanks on a monthly basis now
This article breaks down their production:
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This article breaks down their production:
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Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:14 pm to JimEverett
quote:They just want to return to the "good ole days.
France has been the most hawkish state with respext to the ukraine-russia war. Anyone know why?
It's been way too long since they laid down and surrendered.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:17 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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This article breaks down their production:
Good article.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:20 pm to Crow Pie
They only integrated with NATO fully in 2009… French are some of the most degenerate people out there. No friends of ours
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:22 pm to GeauxBurrow312
You're right I misspoke on the T-62's. But I guess it depends on what you mean by modern tanks. The T-72 entered service in 1973 (US had the M-60 Patton at the time for reference). But I guess to your point yes Russia is still capable of producing a modern tank in significant numbers, just not their pre-war MBT. The Uralvagonzavod armor plant was only able to produce and fully upgrade 60-80 T-90Ms for all of 2024.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:22 pm to RiverCityTider
President Trump should ban the globalist cuck Macron from the White House.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:23 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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They only integrated with NATO fully in 2009
In terms of command structures I believe.
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French are some of the most degenerate people out there.
I mean, in comparison to Russians?
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No friends of ours
We definitely align more closely with them, and the truth is that they have always had their own designs on Europe, somewhat bristling at the notion of a British or American-led Europe. And the competition the French, British, Germans, and Turks have had with Russia is something which drives all of their foreign policy.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:23 pm to LARancher1991
I think part of it is their newest models were not performing much better than their older ones. Much better to go for mass over slight quality upgrade
I am surprised that apparently the Brit’s tank has performed the best of anyone’s. Apparently the German tanks have been dog shite
I am surprised that apparently the Brit’s tank has performed the best of anyone’s. Apparently the German tanks have been dog shite
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:27 pm to crazy4lsu
Russians are also highly degenerate. The US is the only country on earth that remains as a Western nation in its base sense.
France, unlike the UK, has been antagonistic towards us since even during WW2 with Charles De Gaulles bullshite
France, like Germany, likes the EU as a way to dominate the smaller European states. The euro is too expensive of a currency for most of Europe
Turkey is probably the worst of all the NATO allies. A muslim state with a leader dreaming of restoring the ottoman legacy has no place in a Western alliance. As if they would ever fight with us if we needed it, and they don’t even support us in the UN
France, unlike the UK, has been antagonistic towards us since even during WW2 with Charles De Gaulles bullshite
France, like Germany, likes the EU as a way to dominate the smaller European states. The euro is too expensive of a currency for most of Europe
Turkey is probably the worst of all the NATO allies. A muslim state with a leader dreaming of restoring the ottoman legacy has no place in a Western alliance. As if they would ever fight with us if we needed it, and they don’t even support us in the UN
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:28 pm to GeauxBurrow312
Yea that is also true. Russia's most advanced and newest AFV the BMPT Terminator, which was supposed to be the deadliest thing on the battlefield, got absolutely wrecked. The brit's make a good tank. The challenger is very good, but yea I was expecting the German Leopards to do a lot better than they did. But I guess some of that can be attributed to how Ukraine is utilizing them by basically sending them out on their own with no or little infantry support.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:30 pm to LARancher1991
The lack of infantry support is also why countries like Turkey and Saudi have been struggling in their conflicts. They don’t truly adopt US tactics
From what I’ve read, the challenger has been a complete wrecking ball on Russian tanks and armored vehicles. Too bad the Brit’s barely have any of them. Ever since thatcher left, the Brit’s have become weak. They only have 70k troops in their army…
From what I’ve read, the challenger has been a complete wrecking ball on Russian tanks and armored vehicles. Too bad the Brit’s barely have any of them. Ever since thatcher left, the Brit’s have become weak. They only have 70k troops in their army…
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:32 pm to RiverCityTider
Call me crazy, but I am not sure its likely that a country with one of the largest nuclear arsenals on the planet will be "pacified" anytime soon.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:33 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Turkey is probably the worst of all the NATO allies.
Probably, but that's a function of occupying the most important geopolitical region in the world. They get far more leeway than other nations due to this.
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A muslim state with a leader dreaming of restoring the ottoman legacy has no place in a Western alliance.
We essentially gave them the Eastern Med. Their position is so advantageous that it is no surprise they want to take advantage of their opportunity. They are most definitely allies of convenience.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:35 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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The lack of infantry support is also why countries like Turkey and Saudi have been struggling in their conflicts. They don’t truly adopt US tactics
In which conflicts did the Turks struggle? They achieved their aims in Syria through mostly proxies, and their issues with the PKK seem more along the lines of COIN operations. From what I recall, they did work against the SAA in a few engagements in 2018.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:39 pm to crazy4lsu
Considering how much stronger they are than the Kurds, they have struggled. Its the same with saudis who had difficulty with the houthis. Both let their armor get hammered unnecessarily
Its a shame Joe decided to push them towards China and their detente with Iran
Its a shame Joe decided to push them towards China and their detente with Iran
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:44 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Considering how much stronger they are than the Kurds, they have struggled.
I have to disagree here. They've fought a political war with the PKK for 30 years, but in terms of supporting their proxies in Syria, they've done well. They are certainly the best in that region at combined arms and are probably the most active Armed Forces in Europe along with the French.
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Its a shame Joe decided to push them towards China and their detente with Iran
The Turks are being pushed toward China? I don't think that's true. It is more likely that they are trying to carve out their own way, as their geopolitical position gives them a lot of leverage. Iran is now sidelined as long as a friendly regime isn't in Syria, and Turkey and Iran have as long a history of enmity as do the Turks and Russians.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:47 pm to Drizzt
quote:Seems you missed the bolded word.
Incorrect. They are historically some of the toughest fighters in Europe. Today they have the only real respectable military in Europe. The idea that the French are a bunch of surrender monkeys is pure ignorance.
This isn’t true. French special forces are very good but the regular French military is not. They have one aircraft carrier and 6 subs. They only have 220 tanks. They have around 200 fighter jets. Russia would obliterate France in a war.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:48 pm to JimEverett
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France has been the most hawkish state with respext to the ukraine-russia war. Anyone know why?
It's been a long time since they were in a fight and they how bad they suck at war.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 2:49 pm to troyt37
quote:If this is true then their strategy in Ukraine thus far defies common sense.
This is just ignorance. Russia could carpet bomb the entire country today, if it wished to do so. Then roll about 10,000 tanks across.
Posted on 3/6/25 at 3:21 pm to crazy4lsu
Not the Turks, the Saudis were pushed towards China
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