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Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:03 am to 4cubbies
quote:Oh my!
There are always excuses made for white men
Come back out of the Rabbithole Alice.
First off, I didn't address "excuses," and to be clear, you'd not want to go that direction ... at all.
I addressed facts. Indisputable, undebatable facts.
Second, the only matter up for debate is whether those facts, as they lie, serve to benefit society, hurt society, or are a mixed bag.
E.g., There is zero question that Asians, in general, have to perform at a higher level than whites, hispanics, or blacks in order to gain the same academic admissions rate. Study, after study, after study demonstrates it.
If admissions was racially blinded many upper end campuses would be 1/3rd to 1/2 Asian. The question an admissions office has to address is whether a highly disproportionate Asian mix in the student population best prepares the entire student body, including Asians, for societal interaction and success.
But if that decision means downward governing of Asian numbers, don't write off that population's complaint about disproportionately restricted access, or deny basis for it.
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Let's make this a bit more real for you.
The gender mix in med school admissions leans slightly in favor of women, despite that population academically slightly underperforming male matriculants. State expense of medical training is very high. We know that women have a far higher rate of subsequently choosing part time employment in the field, or quitting it altogether. In terms of simple ROI, women are therefore a risker group.
If schools started taking that into account, making female admission standards more difficult thereby reducing the proportion of women in med school, would you think society would benefit as a whole?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:05 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Women voters are blamed for the failures of white male politicians. This white guy likely bombed his interview but DEI gets blamed for his failure to get into his school of choice. If a woman or black person gets anything (job, award, etc) it’s because of DEI. I don’t know how anyone could deny that here.
You’re such a stupid woman in almost every aspect
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:06 am to the808bass
quote:She chose not to.
She can’t read that graph.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:11 am to Jake88
quote:
What? This is completely laughable. Terrible, terrible take.
Not on this discussion board.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:15 am to NC_Tigah
quote:. Weird threat.
First off, I didn't address "excuses," and to be clear, you'd not want to go that direction ... at all.
quote:it appears you were posting them in defense of the victimhood of the applicant. If I misunderstood your intention, I apologize.
I addressed facts. Indisputable, undebatable facts.
quote:
In terms of simple ROI, women are therefore a risker group.
None of my close friends went to medical school so I don’t know the answer to this. One of my close friend’s sister went and her parents paid for the schooling and training. Do most students get scholarships? Lousiana does not fund higher education in any meaningful way.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:17 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Do most students get scholarships?
Not for med school.
And the risk isn’t in the scholarship. The risk is in giving the slot in a medical school class to a person who is statistically much less likely to be a full time doctor within a few years of exiting residency.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:31 am to 4cubbies
quote:
Weird threat.
Not a threat. If you want to go the route of "White Fragility," it will sidetrack the thread, but I'm more than happy to go there.
quote:Negative.
it appears you were posting them in defense of the victimhood of the applicant.
I'm not sure we've fully established any "victimhood" in this anecdotal instance, and that sentiment should be clear in every post I've laid down here. For example, did the applicant apply elsewhere. If not, that's on him. Did he apply elsewhere and was he accepted. If not, why?
quote:Outside of HPSP or NHSC, med school scholarships are exceedingly rare.
Do most students get scholarships?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:33 am to NC_Tigah
quote:why do you assume their admission standards are less difficult? If the MCAT and/or GPA was the only criteria taken into account, you’d have more of an argument.
If schools started taking that into account, making female admission standards more difficult thereby reducing the proportion of women in med school, would you think society would benefit as a whole?
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:37 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
I'm not sure we've fully established any "victimhood" in this anecdotal instance, and that sentiment should be clear in every post I've laid down here.
You have not established victimhood. You are approaching this much more logically. OP is clearly blaming reverse racism.
quote:. Then the ROI point is moot. People can invest their own time and money in whatever they want.
Outside of HPSP or NHSC, med school scholarships are exceedingly rare.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:46 am to NC_Tigah
quote:quote:he chose not to.
She can’t read that graph.S
It’s missing context. Were 81% of 20 million applicants in a particular score range accepted ? Or were 81% of 200 applicants accepted? I don’t think this graph gives much relevant information at all.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:50 am to auwaterfowler
quote:
That’s his passion, and for obvious reasons. That’s why he is determined to serve this patient population as a congenital heart surgeon. He is well on his way even though he won’t finish training and make a proper doctor salary until he is over 35 years old.
Good for him. My advice? Don’t do medicine….
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:54 am to the808bass
quote:
Which part do you think was made up?
“Oh you didn’t get accepted?”
“No, but it’s bc they asked me about gender and I said screw it and gave a totally non PC answer! I’m sure that’s why!”
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:55 am to 4cubbies
quote:You misunderstand.
Then the ROI point is moot.
Medicine is unique in that costs of education and training outstrip tuition by hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:57 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Medicine is unique in that costs of education and training outstrip tuition by hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I’m still missing the point. Why should this matter to anyone but the person getting trained and educated?
Posted on 3/8/25 at 9:59 am to 4cubbies
Because doctors matter to the health of communities. When they retire or work less, care becomes harder to access.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 10:01 am to TigerDoc
And you think medical schools are unaware of this?
Sorry, just to be explicit, there must be reasons women are getting accepted at the rates they are.
Sorry, just to be explicit, there must be reasons women are getting accepted at the rates they are.
This post was edited on 3/8/25 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/8/25 at 10:03 am to 4cubbies
quote:Then 808 was right, you didn't understand the graph. It covers all admissions to US medical programs over the period. The categorical percentages accepted are tallied within each academic subset. E.g., For all US applicants with MCAT 24-26 and GPA 3.2-3.39, Hispanics were 5x more likely to gain admission than Asian with identical scores.
It’s missing context. Were 81% of 20 million applicants in a particular score range accepted ? Or were 81% of 200 applicants accepted? I don’t think this graph gives much relevant information at all.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 10:05 am to 4cubbies
They're aware, but I'm not sure that it's permitted in the consideration of individual applicants w/r/t gender. I'd be happy to be corrected if I'm wrong about that, though.
I agree with you, by the way, that as with a lot of threads there's a lot motte/bailey going on and you're right to point it out.
I agree with you, by the way, that as with a lot of threads there's a lot motte/bailey going on and you're right to point it out.
Posted on 3/8/25 at 10:05 am to 4cubbies
quote:It doesn't.
Why should this matter to anyone but the person getting trained and educated?
It matters to the state paying for the expense.
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