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re: Lower and Middle Class America has declined over the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:34 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:. Modern assembly line work is dehumanizing.
Perhaps there's not the pride in workmanship there should be
Trades and craftsman have pride, because they are skilled. Not assembly line workers.
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Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:SFP, you're a good man but downplaying offshoring of blue collar jobs, combined with importing illegal (aka underpriced) labor to fill the remaining BC jobs dismisses the squeezing of a whole class of Americans. Those are the hopeless folks we're discussing. There is NO GROUP regardless of race, upbringing, religion, or nationality that exists without an inherent "mindset" hoping their kids will have opportunities they didn't.
There are plenty of blue collar opportunities, manufacturing or otherwise
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:51 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:. We have a half million shortage of construction workers who make more than assembly line workers
downplaying offshoring of blue collar jobs,
Why aren't these jobs filled then?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 4:54 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
What kind of quality job can someone who barely graduated highschool get in a country with few blue collar domestic manufacturing opportunities?
That is a conundrum but what do you realistically do about it? You can’t turn back technology, which again is as much of a problem as globalization.
As you can probably gather from my posting handle I used to be a journalist, and six years ago I interviewed the Republican governor of my very red Deep South state, who probably is going to run for governor in two years, and he made the statement that within a decade, 60% of existing jobs in this country would be eliminated by STEM and AI.
I thought that was a jarring assertion, whether true or not, because you think the elimination of old-school smokestack industry was disruptive …
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:You tell me.
We have a half million shortage of construction workers who make more than assembly line workers
Why aren't these jobs filled then?
We've imported millions of basically indentured servants through our southern border. So you tell me why foremen and/or owners were so incompetent they were not able to hire under those absurd conditions.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:07 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:. I have. They don't want to work.
You tell me
These jobs pay better than dehumanizing assembly line work
But it's dirty and hard, so they refuse..
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Perhaps you're underpaying?
But it's dirty and hard, so they refuse..
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:15 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:. These are 30-50 dollar an hour jobs for people who didn't graduate HS.
Perhaps you're underpaying?
They arent being underpaid. They're fricking lazy.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:34 pm to texag7
quote:No. Try reading again.
You’re claiming these tariffs will cause a 15% tax on take home income?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:35 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:I hope I'm wrong too!
I hope you're wrong.
quote:It'll be terrible for everyone.
Those of us with major income derived from fungible assets will do alright. For the vast majority of Americans, it will be awful.
This post was edited on 4/3/25 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:In Alaska? How far does $60K/yr go there?
These are 30-50 dollar an hour jobs for people who didn't graduate HS.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:42 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
But it's dirty and hard, so they refuse..
quote:We have the most expensive workforce on the planet. And you're suggesting... we pay... more?
Perhaps you're underpaying?
You're gonna need a bigger tariff!
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:43 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:. Nationwide. Higher in Alaska
Alaska? How far does $60K/yr go there?
500k needed, and crickets.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:46 pm to Taxing Authority
And people just think the younger generation that sits on tik tok all day and wants to be an insta star is going to work on an assembly line for 25 bucks an hour. Ha. You know who will? All the immigrants we are kicking out.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Nationwide. Higher in Alaska
500k needed, and crickets.
Nationwide. Higher in Alaska
500k needed ???
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:57 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Someone did not read what they are "attempting" to respond to. Tisk tisk TA ... you're normally FAR better than that.
We have the most expensive workforce on the planet. And you're suggesting... we pay... more?
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:58 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
It's interesting how this board is very anti-union and blames them for offshoring, now everyone wants a job and union wage again for factory baws.
Unions definitely contributed to the collapse. There is no doubt about that. They reached the point where they had achieved what the goal should have been, and then they got stupid about it.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:58 pm to NC_Tigah
Yes nationwide
with paid apprenticeships.
with paid apprenticeships.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 5:59 pm to Boss
quote:February unemployment as 4.1%. Not sure where all these workers are going to come from.
And people just think the younger generation that sits on tik tok all day and wants to be an insta star is going to work on an assembly line for 25 bucks an hour. Ha.
quote:Not a bad thing. But, if tariffs "work" we're definately going to need more workers. No one has ever said where they are going to come from, despite me asking numerous times.
You know who will? All the immigrants we are kicking out.
Posted on 4/3/25 at 6:02 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Someone did not read what they are "attempting" to respond to. Tisk tisk TA ... you're normally FAR better than that.
Seemingly its a widely symptomatic problem. Everyone I know trying to hire outside of tech has been struggling for years. If it's the pay... they've already priced themselves out of the market. 
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