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re: Louisiana A rated schools are falling and F rated schools are on the rise-we need choice

Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 12:57 pm to
I have lots of opinion--many are adequately discussed here without my involvement.

However very important issues are often ignored.

For example anyone favoring the tariffs or film credits is not a conservative. I am not sure what they are---a nationalist whatever that is I suppose--is that a fascist?

If an issue involves protecting the wealth Americans have accumulated from those that want more government tariffs or more government protectionism for their cronies or more government taking of tax revenues to subsidize their cronies you can mark it down I have an interest in that issue and I oppose it.

It is badly disappointing to me to see people saying tariffs are good and tariffs on Americans are patriotic somehow. It is twisted, perverted thinking.

It is frustrating to see pure ignorance on display in defense or film credits. The state has taken well over a billion of our tax dollars and given it to the film industry while threatening more taxes and less services (LSU football even) in grasps of power and money.

It is badly disappointing to me that the government takes more and more money from us in the name of education and has created this powerful bureaucracy more concerned with expanding its' power and the benefits to it's benefactors than with actual education.

I stand for real education, real small government and real individual liberty.

Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102793 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 1:08 pm to
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I'll go ahead and say it, desegregation ruined public schools. Thank the feds for that too.


This
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42653 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 2:00 pm to
In EBR they say we are better together.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19580 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 2:58 pm to
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In the first report cards since standards were toughened, Louisiana's share of A-rated public schools slipped while those with F's went up, according to figures released Thursday by the state Department of Education.


So the state raised standards and fewer schools got A's and more got F's in the first analysis under the new standards. You are a sky-screaming moron in most cases but even you should have picked up on this important piece of context in the first paragraph.
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
419 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:22 pm to
Charter school are debatable. They can pick and choose who they take in to bump up their scores. They leave the public schools to care for disabled children. We are in this together to make a better society not who is getting a little more here and there. Charter schools test scores link below

LINK
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80044 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:25 pm to
You're for handouts, big surprise.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80044 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:26 pm to
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I am not sure what they are---a nationalist whatever that is I suppose--is that a fascist?
This is why most think you're an a-hole and your arguments fall on deaf ears.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:27 pm to
New weighted system weighs other things other than academics. Such as discpline, teacher retention, etc... I mean old system did as well but new system weighs things differently and apparently puts more emphasis on growth. If you're an A already you don't have much room for growth and it hurts you
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:32 pm to
What a crock of crap. I am for taking all the money we are collecting for education and giving it out in vouchers for education.
Posted by FlySaint
FL Panhandle
Member since May 2018
2566 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:32 pm to
“You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:36 pm to
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I am not sure what they are---a nationalist whatever that is I suppose--is that a fascist?
This is why most think you're an a-hole and your arguments fall on deaf ears.


Define what you are Jake.

You aren't for school choice. You aren't for small government. You aren't for less taxes and tariffs on American consumers. You are for more war. You are for using the government to attack great American companies like Facebook, Google, Amazon and Microsoft because the President doesn't like them. I think you are even for film tax credits. Facists were big protectionist and taxed the crap out of their people so their pet industries could expand and make fortunes.

You are no conservative. What are you???
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 3:37 pm
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
4244 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:53 pm to
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Louisiana A rated schools are failing


Did I miss something in the article where it states A rated schools are failing?
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:58 pm to
Their headline.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:13 pm to
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misinterpretation of data
i am no fan of ib but, the interpretation isn't in question. school choice is creating competition (fierce in some cases) which has resulted in obvious and objective improvements. charter schools are free to work with alternative educational methods (check out basis and sequitur using classical education) that are clearly superior to contemporary methods. second, the idea of school choice is right from a societal standpoint, regardless of any evidential results from existing schools

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If we were to overhaul SPED and shite-can the legislative abortion known as "No child left behind!", improvements could be implemented overnight
that wouldn't even address my first point much less the second

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using one graph to dissect an issue of this magnitude is unwise
debateable. it accurately shows one aspect of the issue. the case for school choice isn't solely based on this one chart
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:18 pm to
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Government should be COMPLETELY out of the education business
this is what i don't understand. you shop for goods and services, right? you vet products to get the most for your money. why isn't it that way with schools? it seems ludicrous to me that the education of our students is govt based. it's completely contrary to our notions of govt intrusion into people's lives.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:21 pm to
Is 100% misleading
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:21 pm to
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Voucher programs will truly create a cast system
you mean they would reflect the reality that in a capitalist society, some people have more money than others? how is this a problem?

also, that would not preclude any poor person from outperforming a rich person. being rich does not necessarily equate to being smart. you're conflating two different things; education and opportunity.

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We need strong public schools
why?

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allow local districts more control
you're essentially making the same argument as the o.p.
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:23 pm to
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They can pick and choose who they take in to bump up their scores. They leave the public schools to care for disabled children.


All schools should be able to do that.

Also vouchers will allow people to establish schools that cater to disabled children.

Put the money in the hands of the people and the supply to meet the demand will arise.

If we were all voucher, schools would be established to fill the demand of essentially all the families.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:25 pm to
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It is badly disappointing to me to see people saying tariffs are good and tariffs on Americans are patriotic somehow. It is twisted, perverted thinking.
you can't even accurately reproduce the position you are critiquing. it's no wonder you are so wrong on this issue and have become the butt of so many jokes. you have become one of the worst legends in the history of the rant.

i have asked you a simple question and you predictably ignored it. it totally destroys your crusade on tariffs.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:27 pm to
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In EBR they say we are better together
yeah, the equivalent of "north ebr can't be successful without st george's money. we can't survive without it."
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