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re: Lois Lerner Warned IRS Employees to “be cautious about what we say in emails”

Posted on 7/10/14 at 7:37 am to
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 7:37 am to
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Congress has every email she sent or received during this time period. Shouldn't there be something there if this new e-mail is this important?


Do they? I don't think they have every one. Whoever testified a few weeks ago claimed they had a few years of her emails and in the 6m she was there, they never even go around to beginning to filter them.

But then you are assuming that she was on those emails. One would think if they intentionally crashed their computers to scrub everything, she would avoid anything in the future

I don't think this is the smoking gun, but frick, there are way too many coincidences not to believe something was going on.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425607 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 7:40 am to
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the question and warning of e-mails is fairly common in public service.

let me just interject that this is bullshite

they are public servants and every effort should be made to meticulously detail every professional thing they say/do

that's the only way that we can have true accountability in a scenario like this

it shouldn't take a congressional investigation to get these emails, see all the communications, and, if there is an issue with "losing" those, to find out which employee is responsible for that

this isn't a left/right or DEM/GOP thing. it's a government v. people thing. you're the fricking government. you are beholden to us. it should be criminal to hide your actions using public resources/power
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 7:42 am
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26708 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:11 am to
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it shouldn't take a congressional investigation to get these emails, see all the communications, and, if there is an issue with "losing" those, to find out which employee is responsible for that

this isn't a left/right or DEM/GOP thing. it's a government v. people thing. you're the fricking government. you are beholden to us. it should be criminal to hide your actions using public resources/power


Nailed it.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35509 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:28 am to
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they are public servants and every effort should be made to meticulously detail every professional thing they say/do
And that's why it is VERY VERY common for supervisors to tell every employee to be careful about what they say in their e-mails. Heck, I could find similar e-mails from nearly every company I have worked for in the private sector.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80359 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:30 am to
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And that's why it is VERY VERY common for supervisors to tell every employee to be careful about what they say in their e-mails. Heck, I could find similar e-mails from nearly every company I have worked for in the private sector.


Jesus christ, do you realize you are comparing apples to oranges? A general email policy regarding workplace communications is COMPLETELY different then the head of an organization warning people and trying to avert congressional subpoenas.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73532 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:31 am to
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And that's why it is VERY VERY common for supervisors to tell every employee to be careful about what they say in their e-mails
True


But NOT to skirt Congressional oversight. As Lerner said when she asked if Office Communicator is tracked, answer was Not unless you save the messgaes, she said "perfect".

She was ensuring their actions would not and could not see the light of day from oversight.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28898 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:32 am to
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Heck, I could find similar e-mails from nearly every company I have worked for in the private sector.

Post them.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:36 am to
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And that's why it is VERY VERY common for supervisors to tell every employee to be careful about what they say in their e-mails. Heck, I could find similar e-mails from nearly every company I have worked for in the private sector.



Jesus Christ. can you seriously not tell the fricking difference?
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 8:37 am
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:36 am to
We need a special prosecutor on this so very, very bad...
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:37 am to
I don't think I've ever worked somewhere that I wasn't warned about watching what you say in emails.

These guys are so desperate for ANYTHING to catch something anything that they'll make something out of nothing.

Every

Day


Then they get upset because no normal people see the cray cray they see.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73532 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:38 am to
You ever work in the government?

OVERSIGHT, you are trying to compare some fricking idiot that works for Kinkos adn emails sexy emails inter office, to attempting to skirt legal oversight.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
80359 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:40 am to
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I don't think I've ever worked somewhere that I wasn't warned about watching what you say in emails.


Quit being a fricking hack

Nobody is saying that people aren't told about workplace email policies and rules. That happens EVERYWHERE.

I'd LOVE to see a workplace email from your supervisor that says "Hey guys, be careful what you put in email about this project. We wan't to make sure that law enforcement isn't able to find anything thats illegal"
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 8:42 am
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:41 am to
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hey are public servants and every effort should be made to meticulously detail every professional thing they say/do


I think your sense of ethical obligations is admirable. However I do wonder where this was when the subject of Romney's computers came up two years ago. Ya know his entire staff destroyed their computers on his last day in office to ensure no one could see what they were up to while in office.

Tell me SFP..... If I go back two years in those threads on this board, am I going to see your posts with the same sentiment?

TIA


quote:

(Reuters) - Mitt Romney spent nearly $100,000 in state funds to replace computers in his office at the end of his term as governor of Massachusetts in 2007 as part of an unprecedented effort to keep his records secret, Reuters has learned.
This post was edited on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:41 am to
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I don't think I've ever worked somewhere that I wasn't warned about watching what you say in emails.



were you also worried about Congress searching through your emails as well....because i work for one of the largest companies in America and i've never had this conversation
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32693 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:42 am to
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I think your sense of ethical obligations is admirable. However I do wonder where this was when the subject of Romney's computers came up two years ago. Ya know his entire staff destroyed their computers on his last day in office to ensure no one could see what they were up to while in office. Tell me SFP..... If I go back two years in those threads on this board, am I going to see your posts with the same sentiment? TIA


Romney did it=the new Bush did it
Posted by Me4Heisman
Landmass
Member since Aug 2004
5509 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am to
You're getting desperate and it shows in your posts.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am to
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However I do wonder where this was when the subject of Romney's computers came up two years ago. Ya know his entire staff destroyed their computers on his last day in office to ensure no one could see what they were up to while in office.


link?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59446 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am to
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I think your sense of ethical obligations is admirable. However I do wonder where this was when the subject of Romney's computers came up two years ago. Ya know his entire staff destroyed their computers on his last day in office to ensure no one could see what they were up to while in office.

Tell me SFP..... If I go back two years in those threads on this board, am I going to see your posts with the same sentiment?

TIA



Ah, I love the smell of obfuscation in the morning. It's the smell of . . . bullshite.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
63500 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am to
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Vegas Bengal


Why are you and the other one intentionally ignoring the part about specifically addressing the need to avoid issues around e-mails being subpoenaed by Congress? You are lying if you say that is common in any sector. And I've seen hundreds of companies' acceptable use policies and electronic communications policies.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28898 posts
Posted on 7/10/14 at 8:43 am to
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I don't think
That's obvious.

I have worked at companies both large and small and not once did the companies warns us about watching what we said in emails. That includes a couple of Fortune 500 companies.
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