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Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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not the 12 minutes you claim.
I believe his speech ended after the breach took place. He mentioned peaceful protest in his speech. That must be why I recall the 12 minute figure.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:21 pm to BBONDS25
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Perfect. So what would the appropriate response for trump to have on January 6th. Clearly asking for peaceful protest in his speech and a video tweet begging to respect police and not destroy property or commit violence is enough. There are a ton of “conservatives” in here vilifying trump for his response. What should he had done that would have been an appropriate response to what was happening at the capital (which we all agree wasn’t an insurrection).
Trump did fine on Jan 6, other than throwing Pence under the bus while Trump's own failures cost us the election.
But I also take no objection to DeSantis saying his political rival botched the response when January 6 got out of control. DeSantis hasn't and won't make that argument some feature of his campaign, but it's a perfectly reasonable position to take even if his heart isn't in it.
It's politics, or is there an exception for that like there's always an exception when it comes to Trump?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:22 pm to BBONDS25
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That’s behind a NYT paywall. I’ll try to look up the details elsewhere.
Same op-ed is on his website.
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JUNE 03, 2020
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The pace of looting and disorder may fluctuate from night to night, but it's past time to support local law enforcement with federal authority. Some governors have mobilized the National Guard, yet others refuse, and in some cases the rioters still outnumber the police and Guard combined. In these circumstances, the Insurrection Act authorizes the president to employ the military "or any other means" in "cases of insurrection, or obstruction to the laws."
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This venerable law, nearly as old as our republic itself, doesn't amount to "martial law" or the end of democracy, as some excitable critics, ignorant of both the law and our history, have comically suggested. In fact, the federal government has a constitutional duty to the states to "protect each of them from domestic violence." Throughout our history, presidents have exercised this authority on dozens of occasions to protect law-abiding citizens from disorder. Nor does it violate the Posse Comitatus Act, which constrains the military's role in law enforcement but expressly excepts statutes such as the Insurrection Act.
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For instance, during the 1950s and 1960s, Presidents Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson called out the military to disperse mobs that prevented school desegregation or threatened innocent lives and property.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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used to think you were better than this. You aren’t JJDoc. You can see Desantis’s full statement. There’s really nothing wrong with it.
I am so disappointed with this primary season. Conservatives jumping on trump for his J6 response. We used to all agree it was a setup that the dems loved. Grandmas getting tours walking inside the ropes.
Now people wanting to attack trump are taking the opposite position. It’s disappointing. I couldn’t care less if you think I’m dumber than you used to.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:24 pm to Pettifogger
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Trump did fine on Jan 6, other than throwing Pence under the bus while Trump's own failures cost us the election.
But I also take no objection to DeSantis saying his political rival botched the response when January 6 got out of control. DeSantis hasn't and won't make that argument some feature of his campaign, but it's a perfectly reasonable position to take even if his heart isn't in it.
It's politics, or is there an exception for that like there's always an exception when it comes to Trump?
This is all perfectly reasonable. You know better than that.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:24 pm to JoeHackett
Thank you for that. I had not heard a single person advocating for that. I understand Cotton’s point, but trump offered and was turned down. I think it’s a pretty big reach to stack trump for not ignoring local government and marching the army into their towns.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:24 pm to David_DJS
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Didn't Trump threaten to do it? Maybe more than once?
He did once I could find.
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"If a city or state refuses to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents, then I will deploy the United States military and quickly solve the problem for them," Trump said in a short statement in the Rose Garden at the White House.
To do that, the president would need to invoke what's known as the Insurrection Act of 1807.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:27 pm to BBONDS25
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That wasn’t a response to you. Fun bunch’s post made it seem like what was happening at the capital was so egregious the President needed to send in the army or something much more drastic than asking people to stop. I wanted to know if he, not you, now is fine calling what happened on J6 an insurrection.
Jeebus hyperbole much? You won't find any Desantis supporter calling it an insurrection. I mean, with all of the criticisms thrown at Trump and Trump supporters, you would think there would be some callouses, yet y'all whine, cry, and pearl-clutch about the dumbest stuff. And when there isn't any dumb stuff to pearl-clutch about, you simply invent drama, like this.
Having said that, as a nation, it wasn't our finest moment. Ashley Babitt was murdered, and several people (cops and citizens) were injured. You can't put a positive spin on that.
And yet, aside from those awful facts, the worst part of Jan. 6 is that it literally gift-wrapped an issue for Democrats to grandstand, the DOJ to become even more weaponized, and for Republicans having to try and defend it or explain it politically.
Jan. 6 without any violence whatsoever would have been a very powerful political statement. However, it quickly devolved into chaos and lost the meaning of the very thing it was trying to protest.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:27 pm to BBONDS25
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I think it’s a pretty big reach to stack trump for not ignoring local government and marching the army into their towns.
Trump didn't think it was a reach. On June 1 he promised to do it in fact. When did the shite in Portland and Seattle end?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:27 pm to BBONDS25
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Conservatives jumping on trump for his J6 response.
Is that what you think is happening in this thread? How can you be this ignorant if so?
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We used to all agree it was a setup that the dems loved. Grandmas getting tours walking inside the ropes.
We do agree. We just reject your notion that DeSantis was making the same statement as Cheney. You know that is patently false.
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Now people wanting to attack trump are taking the opposite position.
I've learned more about what Trump didnt' do while in office whilst combatting the likes of Jjdoc and his constant stream of lies. Like, what is there to show for Trump's entire presidency? Nothing. The only lasting legacy of Trump is idiotic tweets, pornstar shite, indictment after indictment, and SC Justices. And while the SC justices are great, you would have gotten the same or better with Cruz or DeSantis if he were hypothetically POTUS in 2016. I'm worried about sustainability of this countyr and if Trump somehow beats Biden, newsome coming in, in 2028 and giving us this current shite show yet again.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:28 pm to Jjdoc
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I think it was shown how he was in the White House and didn’t do anything while, while things were going on. He should have come out more forcefully, of course, that.
- Rob DeSantis.
I'd be hesitant to defend someone who accuses me of being a pedo
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:29 pm to BBONDS25
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Conservatives jumping on trump for his J6 response
That’s really not happening here. This is about as mild a “criticism” as one can find, AND a defense of Trump.
To say Trump deserves NO criticism at all is absurd.
There’s nothing wrong with Ron’s statement unless you are that absurdly sensitive.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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There’s nothing wrong with Ron’s statement unless you are that absurdly sensitive.
The OP conveniently left out the rest of Ron's comments about condemning the prosecution.
I wonder why?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:37 pm to 14&Counting
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The OP conveniently left out the rest of Ron's comments about condemning the prosecution.
I wonder why?
Well, listen - at least this is an outlier and he's never done anything like this before.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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There’s nothing wrong with Ron’s statement
Except the part where he said Trump did nothing.
You can argue trump should have done more or done it more quickly. But it is factually untrue to say he did nothing.
I like DeSantis. He misspoke here. He also defended Trump on the important issue. It’s not a big deal.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:41 pm to BBONDS25
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I believe his speech ended after the breach took place.
1:11 p.m.: Trump tells supporters to "fight like hell" because if they don't, "you're not going to have a country anymore." and "We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let's walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."
1:13 p.m.: Trump finishes speaking.
1:45 p.m.: Rioters push past police and an officer announces that it is "now effectively a riot," although officers are trying to get compliance.
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4:17 p.m.: Trump posts a video on social media telling rioters that he knows their pain and hurt. "We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now."
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:43 pm to BBONDS25
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Except the part where he said Trump did nothing.
That’s not what he said
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:43 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
What time did he specifically tell the crowd to protest peacefully? And why did you leave that out of your timeline?
Posted on 7/18/23 at 2:44 pm to Jjdoc
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Already shown he did that. RON is spouting the DEM LED COMMITTEE TALKING POINTS.
It’s hilarious watching you continue to post sh*t on DeSantis. Do you think you are changing anyone’s opinion? Most on here would support either trump or DeSantis over the potato. You are embarrassing yourself.
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