re: Listen to what Independents like me are saying, and you'll understand American politics

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Thanks for proving my point. You and others on the right openly celebrate right-wing violence while condemning left-wing violence. You are hypocritical to the core.

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1. There is absolutely a zero percent chance that you read my entire post. Because the rest of my post invalidates your entire reply

2. I have not celebrated violence in any way and you know that.

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right wing echo chambers.

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I was a democrat for most of my adult life. I didn't move away from them, they've moved away from me. I know several others posters that this applies to. Disagreeing with the modern left does not automatically make one right wing.

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1. I believe that white European immigrants (white people) and the white race built this country with their bare hands carved out of the wilderness and did so with the ideals of Judaeo Christian principals as the foundation of their beliefs and rules of law. 
2. I believe that the alt left and the Democratic Party are doing everything they can to change the demographics of this country with open boarders and open immigration so that they can change the demographic and this countries beliefs away from the judaeo Christian faith and beliefs (This is a worth fighting and dying for problem, and will be defended) remember where you heard it. 
3. I believe that many thousands of years of evolution took place on this planet, with tribal fighting, race and regional wars against each other, thousands of pitched battles that determined the position of the races o n this planet today. I don’t think white people should have to deny their culture or be ashamed that we basically won the over all battle and control the civilized world as we know it today. If can’t see that and don’t believe that you’re an idiot. 
4. I believe that blacks and other minoities have experienced racism here in the US and around the world. Same as others in other countries and places have experienced the same. I believe there is no making up for that, only what we have done over the last 50 years and that basically it is up to the black people to take advatange of the numerous breaks provided to them in this country today. And I am not advocating that we change that, because I do believe they need a leg up and help within this system to compete and prosper. 
5. I believe that the current path we are on with all white people are evil, only whites are racist, white people must die, white culture is supremacy etc. is going to bring in a civil war that any non whites seriously will regret. And I am not hoping that happens I simply believe that it will, and it will be horrible for all Americans 
6. I believe the MSM is our enemy, that they are playing with and blocking for a deep state supported political cabal here in this country that must be eliminated at any cost if our country and freedoms are to survive. I could go on but no need

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First off, just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn't make them " a cuck". Defending your position is the exact opposite of that word's implicit definition.

1. I'll give you this. With the caveat that the original pioneers would have died off if not for the initial help of the Native American tribes. And slave labor provide the cheap manpower necessary to fuel the young nation of the US (just like other European and Asian powers).

2. I believe that there is political motives behind immigration. But are you sure it is ONLY the Left wing?

Immigration in the early 20th century was not just an escape for desperate Europeans. They immigrants provided labor force for industrialization. Back then, those Europeans were not considered "white".

The immigration today is partially backed by businesses that want cheap labor in construction/agriculture and the Feds who are getting paid off by Mexican and Columbian Drug lords. Our entire government is in on this, the Left is just the Scarecrow.

Lots of things are worth dying for, but not all of them. I dont believe any war we have fought since 9/11 was worth it. A war pushed by both sides.

3. All we ever wanted was equal protection and opportunities under the law. I acknowledge Blacks have internal problems to deal with. But you acknowledging past grievances does help.

4. There will be no Civil War in the classic sense. What the US has is a cultural war. Moral decay in the nuclear family is occurring in all races. It isn't unique to this nation. The real problem is actually rooted in what MRA (men rights groups) call the decline of men. More in that in another post.

6. As I stated, both sides are playing the white man and minorities for fools. They want us to fight so that we never see what schemes are really going on.

Think about it, a modern nation that bans a plant that is less harmful than hard alcohol?

People who didnt have jobs in the US but plenty of work to send overseas?

I could go on.

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There should be more opportunities given to black Americans.

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Given? What's this "given" shite?

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I criticize both ideologies equally and with rigor.

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I'm not sure I trust anyone that does this.

And that's because I find that people who try really hard to be apolitical are some of the most weakest and ineffective people that completely lack conviction and resolve to see their ideas through to success.

Take your 449 post and go away.

Your post is BS. I dont believe you are a moderate.

That said, being a moderate doesnt really mean much because its relative to what is considered "extreme"

There is no virtue in being moderate and it doesnt mean you are any more correct or reasonable than anyone.

For example, in an argument about whether the sky is blue in the middle of the day, there may be those on one extreme that are adamant that the sky is blue in the middle of the day. On the other end there are those that believe the sky is definitely NOT blue in the middle of the day. In the middle there are moderates who think that both sides make good points but to say the sky is definitely blue or definitely not blue are just too extreme.

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Most of the forum users here live in a conservative echo chamber. 

I'm an Independent voter. 

I am economically moderate, socially moderate overall. I have conservative views. I have liberal views. 

I am the average American. 

I acknowledge that America has a history of racism. 
You cannot deny that black people have not faced Racism. 
I acknowledge that America has a deficit of trust, and economic competitiveness. 
I acknowledge that far left liberalism and far right conservatism is destroying America. 
I am a centrist. 
I believe that if you want to protest police brutality, it should not be a crime. 
I believe that there is a racial gap between white people and black people. 
I believe that it is the responsibility of black people to control their communities and cities. 
I believe that it is the responsibility of white people to understand that black people live different lives than white people. 

Not every American voted for Donald Trump and the Republicans. 

Trump did not win the 2016 Popular Vote. 

John Bel Edwards in 2015 in LA won Independent voters. 

Independent voters like me hate the far-left and the far-right. 

I criticize both ideologies equally and with rigor.

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Holy virtue signaling Batman!

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you are not preaching to the most intelligent population on this board dude. you speak the truth and i believe represent most of Americans viewpoints. too bad the moderates really have no voice even though they are the majority. extremism on both sides will doom our democracy if left unfettered. progs are dangerous. closed minded right wingers are dangerous too. seems they are afraid to compete with anyone with whom they disagree.

Nut job