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Posted on 12/13/25 at 6:27 pm to 3down10
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A heavenly society is anarchy
Posted on 12/13/25 at 6:48 pm to goatmilker
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If people do not commit acts of evil, what do you need government for?
Posted on 12/13/25 at 6:52 pm to 3down10
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If people do not commit acts of evil, what do you need government for?
People have been indoctrinated to believe "anarchy" means "chaos". I used to be one of them...and now I'm an anarchist. Anarco-capitalist, to be more precise.
That's the North Star. I understand that it will not happen, but every step towards it is a step in the right direction.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:03 pm to stuntman
Difference between me and you is I don't pretend to know the edicts of heaven. That is the realm of the anarchist.
On the battlefield. You would be the first killed.
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Anarchy is the absence of government or ruling authority, meaning no laws or leaders, which can be seen as either political disorder and chaos or a vision for a society with voluntary cooperation and freedom without coercion.(communism marxism)
On the battlefield. You would be the first killed.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:09 pm to goatmilker
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On the battlefield. You would be the first killed.
Why? BTW, that definition you just posted is wrong. It's just no rulers. Laws would still exist. security forces would still exist. Nobody claims there wouldn't be some forms of coercion in an ancap society...just not institutionalized from a central "authority".
Ancaps don't deny human nature. We know there is no utopia, because man is flawed and resources are limited.
Most other people do reject human nature by thinking politicians/government is the best way to "organize society". If you take just a few steps back, you'll see how insane that view truly is.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:16 pm to 3down10
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If people do not commit acts of evil, what do you need government for?
But that is NOT the world we live in.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:19 pm to 1955
quote:aka low Iq idiots
Libertarians
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:19 pm to stuntman
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It's just no rulers. Laws would still exist.
Its right there in your face. You just said it. Go ahead. Laws without a mechanism for enforcement equals no laws.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:25 pm to 1955
Libertarians are the communist of the right. Looks great on paper but human nature won’t allow it to ever succeed.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:27 pm to goatmilker
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But that is NOT the world we live in.
Yes of course, that's why government is a necessary evil.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:28 pm to CapnKangaroo
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Libertarians are the communist of the right. Looks great on paper but human nature won’t allow it to ever succeed.
Neoconservatives are actual marxist communists.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:39 pm to 1955
This country was founded on Libertarian principles, which is why we are a constitutional republic, among other things.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:43 pm to 1955
Most libertarians I have known in my 67 years are either prior Democrats or liberals who won't commit.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:43 pm to goatmilker
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Its right there in your face. You just said it. Go ahead. Laws without a mechanism for enforcement equals no laws.
Who said there's no mechanism for enforcing laws? If you're actually interested in learning about this kind of view, check out anything you can from David Freidman....among many others. I can get into the weeds if you like, but what will happen is that every single critique you have of anarcho-capitalism, government has done magnitudes worse. Stomping of liberty being the biggest one. Again, though, just look up articles or whatever you can on private law.
The Brehon Law in Ancient Ireland is great to read about, and Freidman has done a ton of writing on private law in old Iceland.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 7:46 pm to Onyx Aggie
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Freedom does not breed inequity. Life breeds inequity.
"Life" can only create it if people are given the freedom to create that inequity.
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There is as much or more inequity formed in authoritarian systems as there is in freer systems.
Not for the general population.
Yeah if you want to pick out extreme minority examples, sure you can find some inequity, but within the general population? No. That's silly.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 9:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Ridiculous. Inequity is an innate function of existence.
"Life" can only create it if people are given the freedom to create that inequity.
quote:Especially for the general population. People's looks, intelligence, fitness level, place of of birth, etc., ad nauseam creates inequity.
Not for the general population
The best that can be hoped for in any system is equality of treatment under the rules of that system.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:51 pm to 1955
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Is there a line that can be drawn? Or do y’all believe in survival of the fittest? As it concerns nations and the populace.
It's not a binary, digital answer.
It's a continuum.
When I was younger I leaned toward the hard libertarian end of the spectrum. As I have gotten older I have realized that going that far on the continuum is simply not practical.
I have also realized that while many libertarians/conservatives believe that it is, decentralizing power by taking it away from the federal level and dispersing it among the state/local government is not any kind of panacea. Things are just as corrupt on that level, but there's a lot less transparency. The workings of the Alabama state government are rarely covered in the news and when they are, they are covered by WFSA out of Montgomery, not CNN or Fox. And because of that, if anything, the backroom Bubba meetings and secret deals are even more prevalent than at the federal level.
And frankly, I have serious doubts that a country this big with as many moving parts as we now have could operate without power being centralized at the federal level. This isn't 1776 anymore. Just interstate commerce could easily become bogged down and impractical if some states decide to enact stricter regulations than others. It cold become very polarizing very quickly, and we have enough problems already with assimilation and a national identity.
I also have a much less hardline stance on "democracy" than I used to. I have come to understand the reason that the FFer's concept of this republic didn't include every person over 17 who can fog a mirror voting in federal elections.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 10:56 pm to Bass Tiger
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Most libertarians I have known in my 67 years are either prior Democrats or liberals who won't commit.
Bingo. They’re the independents that feel special that all their needs must be met so they hate all sides and any authority. They’re very liberal which is hilarious when they say they’re conservative.
Posted on 12/13/25 at 11:54 pm to 1955
All they do is draw pretentious, “principled”lines on everything, with no regard for nuance, compromise, or cost benefit analysis.
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