re: Libertarianism is a cancer for the right

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The only difference between him and a radical leftist is economic policy.

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You mean the biggest, most important factor is the difference?

And libertarians aren't even aligned with Leftists on social issues anymore because Leftists seek to use the power of government to enforce their social policies.

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Libertarians have voted for and against Trump in all of his elections.

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Do you have a list of all Libertarians and how they voted?

This is why MAGA finds it impossible to get anyone sane to support them. Y'all are becoming as batshit crazy as the left.

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But especially with the rise of AI and robotics, the only thing Libertarians would do long term is trade one government that is too strong for 4 or 5 corporations that are too strong,

Literal leftist rhetoric

muh corporations

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Leftist or not, its absolutely correct here.

Amazon accounts for over a quarter of all US shipping and the e-commerce wing isn't even their biggest profit maker. That would be AWS. This isn't "Walmart is going to run the country" anymore, we legitimately have these big conglomerates forming and they will have an absurd amount of power once robotics and AI hit their peaks if we aren't careful about it.

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I sense a recurring theme in the anti-liberty crowd.

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Wanting to live in a pleasant, safe, desirable place is anti-liberty?

Libertarians are free to go live in a one room cabin and shite in a bucket, don't make the rest of us have to do that too.

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The main flaw in libertarian thinking is the idea that everyone in society are fundamentally good

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Its not a governing philosophy, its an influence.

People cannot self manage so true freedom is a myth. But the Libertarian influence on the right is the only thing thta keeps Republicans from looking just like Democrats.

The most important issue on the "right" is economics and MAGA seems to not understand that at all. Libertarians are the only ones who understand the economic situation in this country.

Milei in Argentina is a Libertarian. Y;all praise him, then turn around and bash him in this thread by default.

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Nobody has really explained why immigration would be bad if we eliminated our social welfare programs at the federal level.

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This unfortunately would never happen, so it's a purely academic discussion.

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Leftist or not, its absolutely correct here.

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As I said earlier

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I lot of these people supported literal socialism proposed by the Trump admin a few weeks ago, and then railed against socialism.

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There was a time when promoting literal Leftism was antithetical to anyone proclaiming to be a conservative.

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anting to live in a pleasant, safe, desirable place is anti-liberty?

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Immigration doesn't prevent that.

Why would immigrants come here without a social safety net if they had no skills or productivity to offer?

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This unfortunately would never happen, so it's a purely academic discussion.

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I understand. Then only the most big-L of libertarians deserves scorn.

The vast majority support Friedman's stance that you have to choose one, and since we have a social safety net, immigration should be contained.

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Then only the most big-L of libertarians deserves scorn.

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Correct. I am definitely a small-L libertarian. I don't agree with a lot of the big-L things, or I agree with them on paper but I understand the real world drawbacks.

I like Massie, but I agree even he lets his principles back him into a corner and force a bad decision. But I agree with him and Rand Paul on most issues.

I believe a blend of libertarian and conservative ideas is the best path for any government.

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My problem is with libertarian theory.

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at heart im a libertarian and the complete theory is actually sound....the one problem is the theory assumes everyone in the world is playing by the same rules....that is not the case

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Libertarian stances on social policies like immigration, fig marriage, drug use, religious freedom (I.e building mosques) and so on have fricked our country.

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exactly

in theory....imaginary lines on a map someone made up should not stop you from moving where you want and pursuing happiness.....problem with that type of immigration policy is its based on the premise that all countries off same benefits and are governed the same and if they arent...the people moving to, say the US, would be a net positive for the country

i get the theory that 1 should not be sentenced to a shitty life just because of where they are born.....but the theory falls apart because the people coming to certain countries, mainly the US are coming because of the benefits and not assimilating into the culture. They are coming here and being a huge net negative on the country

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immigration

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So I get the the theory....but at this point, most issues in our country can be traced back to immigration.

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- housing pricing...remove the extreme amounts of illegals and those on Visas not married and not net positives....the market is saturated with housing and prices go down

-same with cars, especially used car market

-education...although our overall numbers continue to drop...Asian & White Americans continue to rank in the top 5 in the world on standardized testing. Asian Americans rank 1, Whites #4. The black population has not grown, its the Hispanic portion that is growing and driving overall levels down

- college education pricing is propped up my immigration and student visas. eliminate that and it drives pricing way way way down.

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fig marriage

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for gay marriage....i was blasted on here a decade ago when I said that allowing for Gay marriage would make it cool for young people and those without a group...would move that direction and the amount of young people that identify as gays would grow exponentially. Everyone on here said i was crazy....I was right.

in libertarian theory, governments would not be involved in marriage and there would be no tax benefits for marriage and governments would not be involved in social construction and would not push policies trying to grow any part of society. sounds great in theory....doesnt work in real life

we need marriage and as the nuclear family is one of the best indicators of success, future success and success for kids.

the gay movement was highjacked by extremist and now we are on the fricking slippery slope to where now they want podophylla to be ok. frick that.

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drug use,

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drug use- in theory it should be legal. I grew up with a mom, who no matter the legality of it, would find her pills to get high. So i understand both sides. I would love for the black market to be cleaned up where we dont incentivize the most violent in society with a way to make money off the violence. in theory its basic capitalism supply and demand......problem for me is, I do not want to be around that shite and every city now smells liek a fricking skunk.

for me its the same as the gay issue...i do not give two fricks about what you do in your home, but they can never keep it there. they always have to put it in your face. well frick that.

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religious freedom (I.e building mosques)

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i get the constitution and am all for religious freedom....the muslim problem goes back to immigration....not freedom of religion. If we had kept the country theory and restricted immigration from countries that the culture did not mesh with our own, this wouldnt have been an issue

if we had not allowed student visa to every damn country in the world...this would not be a problem.



most things on your list, other than gay marriage, goes back to the border and immigration.

Immigration is by far the biggest issue facing this country. 50% of the issues in the country right now is caused by the immigration policies including H1B, student Visa's, and other programs that give loans to those coming here.

think about every damn gas station in town...who owns them? every non chain hotel...who owns them? huge student populations....where are they from? housing crisis...what is causing it? employment for the lower quarter of society...who is taking those jobs?


immigration is the biggest issue in this country and its not close

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