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re: Liberals, Progressives, I need help - The Goal
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:03 am to geauxturbo
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:03 am to geauxturbo
1) Give me an example(s) of 'systemic racism' please. I keep hearing this term but haven't heard any examples of it. Should be easy if it is so prevalent.
2) Black lives matter only when taken by whites. Nary a peep at the murders in cities like Chicago when it's black on black or black on white.
You see, it's easy to pull down statues, riot, march, etc. but when asked about what change would make things successful you don't hear anything but radical bullshite that at the end of the day won't change much for the black community longterm. That requires honest self reflection and accountability and those things are much much harder.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:04 am to Gtmodawg
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No difference between Liberals and the GOP then because that is exactly what the GOP wants
I don’t know what the GOP wants; but we conservatives want to be left the frick alone!
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:04 am to geauxturbo
I promise you progressives are not unified in some quantitative goal they're looking for.
I think they'd agree that the immediate goal was arresting of the police that killed George Floyd and Breonna Taylor (the latter one conservatives should be pissed about--cops barged into the wrong home without announcing and someone exercised their second amendment right to defend against intruders).
Of course, these protests reminded us of old racial wounds the country still carries around. So now, progressives are taking the chance to carry the momentum into trying to heal some of those wounds. Some approaches might include removing statues that honor traitors against the greatest country the world has ever known. Some approaches include massive police reform.
I think they'd agree that the immediate goal was arresting of the police that killed George Floyd and Breonna Taylor (the latter one conservatives should be pissed about--cops barged into the wrong home without announcing and someone exercised their second amendment right to defend against intruders).
Of course, these protests reminded us of old racial wounds the country still carries around. So now, progressives are taking the chance to carry the momentum into trying to heal some of those wounds. Some approaches might include removing statues that honor traitors against the greatest country the world has ever known. Some approaches include massive police reform.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:05 am to geauxturbo
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So, a survey then? At 51% we can be like, "yee haw, we did it!"
No, not a survey. Just generally a knowledge that half of what he covered was reality.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:06 am to Gtmodawg
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what the GOP wants...a country with only their rules and laws...
Well, technically we already have one and it even has a pretty cool Constitution that forms the basis for any laws that we need to get back to...
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:12 am to Errerrerrwere
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quote:No difference between Liberals and the GOP then because that is exactly what the GOP wants I don’t know what the GOP wants; but we conservatives want to be left the frick alone!
Being left the frick alone is not part of the deal that you accept when you accept citizenship and residency in the United States. I agree completely with you...leave me the frick alone...but neither of us is going to be left the frick alone unfortunately....
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:13 am to geauxturbo
EQUAL OUTCOME
say it again with me
EQUAL OUTCOME
this is the haves vs the have nots
say it again with me
EQUAL OUTCOME
this is the haves vs the have nots
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:13 am to The Maj
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Well, technically we already have one and it even has a pretty cool Constitution that forms the basis for any laws that we need to get back to...
If you already technically have only your rules and laws in place what would you go back to???
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:36 am to Gtmodawg
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If you already technically have only your rules and laws in place what would you go back to???
Make your own thread.
What is the goal of the progressive BLM movement? When do we know we've overcome systemic racism?
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:49 am to geauxturbo
Remember when climate change was bigger then BClownsM. Just keep throwing shite at the wall and see what sticks.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:56 am to geauxturbo
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Make your own thread. What is the goal of the progressive BLM movement? When do we know we've overcome systemic racism?
When idiots admit it exists in the first place....in other words never.
And I will respond to any thread I damn well please puhdner...your internet bully shite don't get no play here hoss….
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:08 am to geauxturbo
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Please, state the goal. Like, unemployment #s, median income, graduation rates, murder rates, whatever it is.
The goal is political power. Blacks vote for us 95% of the time, so we're happy with the status quo. Stop bothering us, you racist POS.
Sincerely,
Liberals and Progressives
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:10 am to ShakeandBake
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2) Black lives matter only when taken by whites. Nary a peep at the murders in cities like Chicago when it's black on black or black on white.
In the world of hypocrites...BLM is amazingly glaring. Parts East Africa "motherland") right now are facing extreme hardship due to massive locust invasion ( way more so than normal) and they haven't gotten to breeding season for the locust yet. I would suspect that not 1 dime from the haul that has poured into BLM coffers will be spent to help the black lives in Kenya. ( but ....we do know who will send food/money/aid)
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:26 am to Gtmodawg
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When idiots admit it exists in the first place....in other words never.
That's what he's trying to do. If I'm going to admit that systemic racism exists, then I need to know what that systemic racism is. I'm not going to just agree to a blanket statement that we have systemic racism.
Identify the specific problem, and then let's find a solution. If the problem is police brutality, then let's work on it. Nobody disagrees with that. We may disagree with the approach, but that's why we have debate.
BLM doesn't want a debate. They want carte blanche to implement their socialist agenda. THAT is why conservatives don't want to go along with your premise that we have to admit to some vague concept of systemic racism.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:39 am to Gtmodawg
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When idiots admit it exists in the first place....in other words never.
And I will respond to any thread I damn well please puhdner...your internet bully shite don't get no play here hoss….
OK puhdner. Is that a bigoted response? Sounds like it.
So, if it exists, how do we know its been overcome? What is the metric?
You say idiots just need to admit it exists. Name calling gets you nowhere. From what I can tell, the laws are in favor of minorities and protect minorities from being discriminated against based on race. The Constitution protects the rights of all people, majority and minority. So, it doesn't exist there either. Please provide the laws and regulations that are specific to promoting systemic racism against POC.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:06 am to geauxturbo
See Venezuela. Everyone equally miserable except the elite in charge. Pure 2 class system where everyone, other than those in charge, are reliant on the state for their very existent.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:18 am to RTRinTampa
This thread was started at 8 AM
3 hours later and so far we have:
1) Greater than 50% of populace adhering to the I Have a Dream speech of MLK. Not based on a survey, just a general understanding
2) Idiots to admit Systemic racism exists.
What else ya got? Not arguing with your goals. They are YOUR goals to prove Black Lives indeed Matter and that Systemic Racism is OVER. Progressive Liberal goals, not mine.
3 hours later and so far we have:
1) Greater than 50% of populace adhering to the I Have a Dream speech of MLK. Not based on a survey, just a general understanding
2) Idiots to admit Systemic racism exists.
What else ya got? Not arguing with your goals. They are YOUR goals to prove Black Lives indeed Matter and that Systemic Racism is OVER. Progressive Liberal goals, not mine.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:24 am to 20 ton
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The goal is for everyone to have equality.
Will never happen.
And that’s life.
They need to learn to deal with that.
Some people are:
taller
more attractive
less nervous
smarter
more confident
the beneficiaries of two living parents when they were young
free from genetic abnormalities
more resilient
etc.
It is what it is.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:26 am to EZE Tiger Fan
quote:Do they really want to usher in some new government, though?
You are asking trained liars to lie to you.
Listen to the BLM leaders, as well as leaders of ANTIFA and the Dem party:
Their goals are to destroy the foundation of the country, rewrite history to fit their narrative, usher in communism, and create separate laws for themselves while they fleece and destroy those who disagree.
Their actions have been VERY clear, now they are actually using the words.
I don't think they really care what type of government is in place.
I think all they want is to be considered victims forever so they can perpetually complain, exploit grievance culture, and behave and commit acts outside the bounds of typical norms and etiquette of law and order without accountability or responsibility.
It's much easier to be lazy and get what you want easier when you're considered an aggrieved class and demand you're entitled to what the offenders have somehow stolen from you or prevented you from having access to.
It's way easier to behave and act imprudent when you demand you're a victim.
And this is easier than doing labor at a real job with a boss under a subordinate structure, following laws and etiquette and having to act civil and as if you're just another joe doing life based on merit and your own effort, like everyone else.
No, these people want to be "special", while being lazy. And they resent "whitey" (and really anyone who disagrees with this methodology) for not capitulating without question.
So what's the goal?
To indefinitely persist with victimhood and grievance culture.
Now don't get me wrong, this is only a moderate fraction of black folks. The problem is this is the most vocal, ignorant, violent, self-entitled, and lazy of them and they think they speak for all blacks because that's what they want to believe.
But it isn't all of them by any stretch. I'd venture to say the majority of them have dignity and self-respect and would much rather be offered upward mobility they can put effort into to reach some form of success.
However, I could be wrong about that being a majority. I live in a 1500 home community where the home cost range is between about $300k-$1M, and we have dozens and dozens of black and minority families here. Many we do block parties and dinners with regularly. And nearly all of them have admitted they are voting for Trump.
BUT, even in this situation, nearly all of them consistently claim racism and oppression are an epidemic. However they can never really seem to explain where exactly it is and how it rears it's ugly head, except rambling off ridiculously small stats like cops shooting unarmed black men, which they inflate and act like this is proof, while being completely ignorant to the real scale and context of the data.
It's like, "You live in a $500k house and make $150k a year... each. WTF are you complaining about?" And then they go "Well, yeah, shite's actually great, which is why we're voting for Trump."
So I don't know. Complainers love to complain.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:28 am to geauxturbo
The Goals read 42. Calvin Klein just said tranny black people are the trend.
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