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re: Liberal dems.. is the core of your beliefs that you want to make life more fair?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:29 pm to Rex
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:29 pm to Rex
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No... it means that if their well-being depends on it and if society can provide it then it SHOULD be built.
That still doesn't answer how they are entitled to it. You have now described what you believe society's role is in helping each other, though.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:31 pm
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Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:29 pm to SettleDown
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"Entitled" implies that you should get something even if you make no effort whatsoever to get it for yourself. If it requires the efforts of a third party, you aren't "entitled" to it. No human in this history of the world has ever been "entitled" to eating.
So, say, a newborn child is not entitled to eat? Really? Just out of curiosity, what's your stance on abortion?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:32 pm to Rex
Answer the question. How am I entitled to a bridge.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:35 pm to Rex
quote:are people entitled to a car and gas?
Rex
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:36 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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You have now described what you believe society's role is in helping each other.
Therein lies the entitlement.
I might agree that SettleDown owes his neighbor nothing if he lived on a desert island with just that hungry neighbor. But we live in a complex society that gives him many advantages for survival. SettleDown owes a debt to that society and thus to its members. I do not wish to be the judge of who deserves to live or die... I therefore support giving basic human needs to every member.
All of which leads back to the original question in this thread.... NO, the core of my beliefs is not that I want to make life more fair... it's that society has an obligation to its members.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:37 pm to Rex
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So, say, a newborn child is not entitled to eat? Really? Just out of curiosity, what's your stance on abortion?
You believe in abortion, therefore, I suppose some people aren't entitled to live. With that premise, entitlement only works when it's convenient for you.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:37 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Answer the question. How am I entitled to a bridge.
Seems like a dumb question
The way you phrase it sounds like someone is building a bridge just for you
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:37 pm to Rex
So.......you can keep beating around the bush, but how am I entitled to a bridge?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:We should just consider it government housing, and kill two birds with one stone.
Answer the question. How am I entitled to a bridge.
How's that for a countertroll, Rex?
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:38 pm to Powerman
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Seems like a dumb question
The way you phrase it sounds like someone is building a bridge just for you
Well, Rex said we are entitled to bridges, yet he won't explain how. I'm just trying to figure out is point of view.
from Rex:
quote:
Of course we're entitled to bridges
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:40 pm to Rex
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All of which leads back to the original question in this thread.... NO, the core of my beliefs is not that I want to make life more fair... it's that society has an obligation to its members.
And what are the members of said society obligated to do for the society?
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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We should just consider it government housing, and kill two birds with one stone.
Works for me I guess. Could we then start getting bridges from house to house? There is this cute chick a few houses down, but sneaking over to her place is always so hard. If I had a bridge from my window to hers, I'd be getting laid non-stop
(please read as joke)This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:No, no silly. You house the po'folk under the bridge.
Could we then start getting bridges from house to house?
That's the GOP way.
This post was edited on 1/24/14 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:44 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Well, Rex said we are entitled to bridges, yet he won't explain how. I'm just trying to figure out is point of view.
We're entitled to bridges because we provide tax money for precisely that type of infrastructure. If there was no government system in place to provide those things then we wouldn't be entitled to them. Really not that difficult to comprehend.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:44 pm to NC_Tigah
Maybe we just all start living under bridges. It would probably be cheaper that way, which would make those wanting the gov't to spend less happy. Equal housing for everyone, making the libs happy.
Damn, I just solved a bunch of our problems.
Damn, I just solved a bunch of our problems.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:47 pm to Powerman
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We're entitled to bridges because we provide tax money for precisely that type of infrastructure. If there was no government system in place to provide those things then we wouldn't be entitled to them. Really not that difficult to comprehend.
I still don't see that as being entitled to it. If said bridge closed tomorrow, my right to it is not being infringed. Our taxes pay for our ability to use it, not our right to it. If that were the case, a bridge could not be closed, and any bridge deemed necessary to the public would have to be built.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:48 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I still don't see that as being entitled to it. If said bridge closed tomorrow, my right to it is not being infringed. Our taxes pay for our ability to use it, not our right to it. If that were the case, a bridge could not be closed, and any bridge deemed necessary to the public would have to be built.
Obviously there are reasonable constraints that determine how infrastructure money is spent. You can't have every bridge you ever dreamed of no matter the cost. And some bridges have to be closed for safety reasons or for maintenance construction.
I'm not sure why you're trying to take this to such a literal extreme.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:You mean like for a traffic study or something?
If said bridge closed tomorrow
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:51 pm to MJM
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what part of the constitution allows for corporate welfare?
Please start a thread on this "Corporate Welfare" topic, because, I strongly suggest that I may be against this.
I think that your knowledge of the subject could be helpful to others who desire a more full understanding. Thanks.
Posted on 1/24/14 at 4:53 pm to Powerman
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I'm not sure why you're trying to take this to such a literal extreme.
Well, I was going along with Rex's line of questions, trying to find his point. Ran into a snag in his reasoning with regards to how he defines entitled, and wanted clarification. I apologize if this hijacked the thread.
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Obviously there are reasonable constraints that determine how infrastructure money is spent.
I agree, which is why I argue that something like that is not "entitled". That is like me trying to argue I am entitled to every benefit of the tax code because I pay taxes, however if the tax code changes, some benefit might go away. That means I have access to something, but am not entitled to it.
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