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re: Let's talk about military spending

Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:49 am to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:49 am to
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Yes, I think it should be far more than the 54 billion currently asked for.
Interesting. Why?
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:49 am to
Abolish the Marine Corps and re-brand them all as "Naval Infantry".

No more USMC, because we will call them "Naval Infantry" OR if they prefer, "Sea Soldiers".

WE'll save money because the Naval Infantry will have the same uniforms as the Navy or Coast Guard.
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Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:50 am to
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Did not know that about the 2 year limit on raising money for an Army.

Most don't; every other year Congress has to reauthorize our military
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:50 am to
To eliminate this.

LINK
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:50 am to
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You can't complain about military spending and then bash Trump for wanting other NATO nations to pony up.



You do realize that the US could cut 1/3 of their military spending and still meet NATO obligations, right?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:51 am to
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Abolish the Marine Corps and re-brand them all as "Naval Infantry". No more USMC, because we will call them "Naval Infantry" OR if they prefer, "Sea Soldiers".
No we can still call them Marines thank you very much. But yes, in theory they should be nothing more than naval infantry and a branch of the Navy.
Posted by MoroccoMole
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:51 am to
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Because I don't support cutting military spending for the sake of cutting military spending. I support a massive change in our foreign policy that will result in a massive decrease in military spending.





Massive change in foreign policy is coming. I call it toilet politics. Fire off a tweet about other countries while taking your morning dump.
Posted by 9th life
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:52 am to
In a vacuum I have no issue with military spending. However, I don't really care for the proposed increase in military spending relative to the cuts at the state department. Would rather have a well funded and strong diplomatic presence to avoid having to use those expensive planes and bombs.



Posted by Kino74
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:52 am to
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For one, we have told Japan that we do not want them to. 

This was US policy (still is). 


The Japanese constitution drawn up by the US was never meant to be eternal a d was to be eventually replaced.

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We also wanted to keep Germany weak so we have more or less the same deal there, but now in one fell swoop Trump starts complaining about, it is insane and unfair. 


The problem here is none if those 2 are spending 2% which Germany is REQUIRED to.

Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:53 am to
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You do realize that the US could cut 1/3 of their military spending and still meet NATO obligations, right?
Of course, but then we wouldn't be able to make up for all of Europe's shortcomings in military spending that allow them to spend their money of socialist programs because they know daddy will come save the day if they ever actually get in a fight.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:53 am to
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No we can still call them Marines thank you very much


No, we can't, and I'll tell you why. You see, the name "Marines" is a French word, well, at least the origin of the word is French, and, it's an insult because we, as Americans, hate the French language.

So, it's either Naval Infantry or Sea Soldiers OR Soldiers of the Sea. Surely you agree because my logic is impeccable.
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:54 am to
But we could not meet our Asian obligations.

The reason America kicks arse in so many things is that we are - America.

I mean sometimes it is said as a joke on this boad but there is a lot of truth to the sentiment 'Murica damnit.

The world always wants (or will get, want it or not) a world leader. We have had the Brits, the French, the Dutch. Now it is us and to give it up so we can build a few airports and cut a few taxes is insane asylym level insanity.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:54 am to
Let's not. The reason we never cut spending on anything is because we compartmentalize it in to these partisan categories and then everyone defends their favorites to the point of inaction.

We have a spending problem. Identify what percentage of spending we need to cut and then apply that percentage to every category.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:55 am to
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Of course, but then we wouldn't be able to make up for all of Europe's shortcomings in military spending that allow them to spend their money of socialist programs because they know daddy will come save the day if they ever actually get in a fight.


I'm glad that the new POTUS is trying to push the rest of NATO into spending their fair share on military defense.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:55 am to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:55 am to
How about this:

*Eliminate the current 5 branch structure (I'm counting the Cost Guard)
*Make it 1 "armed forces" with 4 subordinate branches (combine Navy & Cost Guard)
*Create more super bases thus eliminating a ton of other bases

This eliminates a ton of duplication of effort and spending and overall CinC would have access to everything he needs to fight....yeah he basically owns everything
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 11:55 am to
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To eliminate this. LINK
Lack of funding isn't the reason for the military's readiness problem. I find that article disingenuous at best, at least in regards to the army's brigades not being ready. Our aviation assets are certainly in disrepair though. But that has more to do with misallocation of funds.
Posted by Eurocat
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 12:00 pm to
NATO countries are required to spend 2% only after 2024, not yet. This was settled in the 2014 Wales summit.

Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 12:00 pm to
One of the best reasons to reduce the military? Because when you have a large standing army you always find a reason to use it. It becomes a surrogate form of statesmanship.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 12:04 pm to
Exactly. It's a self-licking ice cream cone man.

We have all the wars to fight and be ready to fight! We need a bigger military!

We have this huge military! We're the only ones who can face this imminent threat!
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