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re: Let's talk about military spending

Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:40 pm to
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:40 pm to
You can't please everyone man.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:40 pm to
He is saying to focus on homeland defense, limiting force projection from the AF (which gets back to my if you have it you will use it post) and move those functions over to the Air National Guard. Still a capability. Just re-oriented and transferred to the Guard.
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:41 pm to
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I literally cried when they finally won. Like a baby and don't even care. He is ROTC like me so it does not sting as much.


Ya, I gave a couple of my Navy friends complete shite about it for weeks.

I'm an OCS bubba, so no personal skin in the game aside from giving the Navy hell on principle.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:42 pm to
Thank you for turning my ideas into coherent officer speak
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:42 pm to
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You can't please everyone man.


True enough, but you have to factor in the ability to keep the slots filled.
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:43 pm to
Posted by Centinel
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:44 pm to
Must be a bad day in DC land
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:44 pm to
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Air national guard dude.


Isn't most of the air logistics duties of the USAF done either by the ANG or the USAFR? I know all of it on the Navy side are reservists.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:44 pm to
I would also say (since I am in Army medicine) get the Hell out of dependent care and retiree care. If we want it to be an incentive then make it some form of insurance program. Socialized medicine in the Army is breaking the bank. It should be focused on supporting Soldiers only. Sorry, I know that is not going to go over well either.
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:44 pm to
Love ya baw
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Abolish the Marine Corps and re-brand them all as "Naval Infantry".



Been tried at least ten times. Fail.



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Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:46 pm to
You are scary smart for an NCO. I have never met one like you that has this kind of strategic outlook (outside of SOF).

ETA: I rarely meet officers that have this kind of strategic outlook.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:47 pm to
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He is saying to focus on homeland defense, limiting force projection from the AF (which gets back to my if you have it you will use it post) and move those functions over to the Air National Guard. Still a capability. Just re-oriented and transferred to the Guard.


So take the branch with the most advanced technology, the most diverse technical skill requirements, and hand it off to part timers?
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:48 pm to
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part timers
Serious question, do you understand the modern reserve component? What is your military experience?
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:50 pm to
The most serious attempt to abolish the Marine Corps was probably in 1908-1909. President Roosevelt supported it and that was a big weight to move the other way. Some Navy officers thought it demeaned the spirit of the average duck to keep what was essentially a police force on each ship.

But - as usual the Army could be counted on to frick things up. The Army didn't want the Advance Base Force concept the Marine Corps was developing and Navy admirals didn't want to give up the personnel strength. This was not for any particular love of the Marine Corps; the Navy just wanted to crap on the Army's turf.
This post was edited on 3/17/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted by WhiskeyPapa
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:56 pm to
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I would also say (since I am in Army medicine) get the Hell out of dependent care and retiree care. If we want it to be an incentive then make it some form of insurance program. Socialized medicine in the Army is breaking the bank. It should be focused on supporting Soldiers only. Sorry, I know that is not going to go over well either.


One of the institutional things in the Marines that I recall was - don't complain unless you have a solution.

How do you care for dependents? Compare and contrast and give three examples.
Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 1:58 pm to
8 months, 22 days til vindication, COL.

Posted by Navytiger74
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:00 pm to
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You are scary smart for an NCO. I have never met one like you that has this kind of strategic outlook (outside of SOF).

ETA: I rarely meet officers that have this kind of strategic outlook.
Dollars to doughnuts he learned it all from a Navy baw.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 3/17/17 at 2:00 pm to
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How do you care for dependents?
The service members purchase some sort of insurance for their own dependants

Seems pretty simple to me.
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