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re: Let’s get this clear once and for all: the internet is NOT a utility

Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:30 pm to
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:30 pm to
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That is actually a valid observation. Again..what is the point of the "utility" classification?



I mean I am not personally caught up on the necessity of it having to be labeled something specifically. I really only ever argue about how the underlying market dynamics necessitate certain intervention and why treating this like a normal competitive market is erroneous. If tomorrow congress passed a law that built a similar but still effective regulatory framework to ensure a continued fair playing field to address those underlying market issues, fine by me.

The reason why it went Title II has a specific history though. Some posters have very eloquently mapped that out in other threads and I am sure they could be easily found if curiosity is that high.

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Not really. It's passive entertainment. Not at all necessary to my life in any way, shape or form.



But as you just acknowledged, for a growing majority of the population, the internet is incredibly vital. So to is the marketplace the internet has fostered, which has also been incredibly vital to our nation and economy. It is not simply a leisure good anymore. Even if you are in a place where that is all you need it for in life anymore.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:48 pm to
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Some posters have very eloquently mapped that out in other threads and I am sure they could be easily found if curiosity is that high.


I have little interest in the subject beyond curiosity as to why it seems a "big deal". I jumped into this tyhread at page 15.

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But as you just acknowledged, for a growing majority of the population, the internet is incredibly vital.


Not sure about the majority of the population having the internet as something "incredibly vital".

In the realm of education, are books "incredibly vital" to even more people and businesses and education? Should books be seen as something to be regulated as a utility?
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 3:49 pm to
Vital- essential for life

Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:11 pm to
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Not sure about the majority of the population having the internet as something "incredibly vital".

In the realm of education, are books "incredibly vital" to even more people and businesses and education? Should books be seen as something to be regulated as a utility?




Books don't really cost an enormous amount of money and require the extensive use of shared resources to deliver. Nor do their markets suffer from any notable market failures.

Even with that, we still invest in public libraries and education to increase access for people that might be unable to purchase needed textbooks and the like for their betterment. Provide Pell Grants and student loans so people can pay for college.

I think I could keep going but I think you recognize how materially different those two markets and products are?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:13 pm to
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I'm not here to jump through the hoops of your endless questions and red herrings


Ironic post is ironic
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:14 pm to
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Vital- essential for life


Looks like you and Displaced Buckeye have some common ground...Both of you have a penchant for low-effort trolling by nit-picking people's choice of verbs and adjectives, that I can only assume is a sad substitute for lacking any sort of substantive point.



Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
143791 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:15 pm to
It’s a utility in Chattanooga.
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
10851 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:18 pm to
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Is that bad?


No, it seems fair.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:22 pm to
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Both of you have a penchant for low-effort trolling by nit-picking people's choice of verbs and adjectives, that I can only assume is a sad substitute for lacking any sort of substantive point.


You progressive filth have a tough time understanding that words have meaning. Those meanings are important.

IF the internet is so VITAL, than it would be something required for life. It isn’t. So take your Y2K scare and shove it up your arse.
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 4:25 pm to
This could go back and forth on a "point---counter point" sort of platform for days, but the truth be told, reality will be the determining factor. NN is done.
When will the horror start and how will it manifest itself? In 50 years from now will the catastrophe be "right around the corner" like some other things that never seem to come to pass?
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 5:28 pm to
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I'm not here to jump through the hoops of your endless questions and red herrings.


Red herrings? Asking for you to quantify terms YOU used is jumping through hoops. someone is scared of specifics.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
24381 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:44 pm to
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Like electricity, water, or gas.

And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.


Only one of the things you listed is essential for life.

Don't you get tired of being stupid?
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 9:18 pm to
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Only one of the things you listed is essential for life.


You're conflating base physical life with social life or systems of society. Just my opinion...others may feel differently.
Posted by TigersInParis
Member since Nov 2017
311 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 11:31 pm to
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Like electricity, water, or gas.



Lol, look at this snowflake pansy thinking electricity and gas are necessary for life. Water, sure, but even still, you don't need running through pipes, what's wrong with walking to the nearest lake with a bucket?

Also, funny you left "telephone" off this list, since that's also a utility and serves basically the same function, sending and receiving information with the outside world, as the internet does.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:03 am to


If you spent as much time on words as you do melting, we'd probably get somewhere.

It wasn't even a difficult word that tripped you up...
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:15 am to
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And it isn’t essential for life. That is all.


neither is electricity or gas.

you lose.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59463 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 12:28 am to
Do you want internet to be billed like utilities? Is this the argument?
This post was edited on 12/16/17 at 12:28 am
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 1:39 am to
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Do you want internet to be billed like utilities? Is this the argument?


no.. my argument is that his argument is terrible
Posted by CajunTiger_225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
9233 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 2:34 am to
I'm way late to this party but you say internet is not essential to life but in no life would you not use internet. If you're not willing to lose the internet or live without it then you're not really in the place to have that opinion. You're kind of off on this one.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
17240 posts
Posted on 12/16/17 at 2:54 am to
In Europe people think that because of the importance of it, it is a utlity.

The ID card plays a key role in almost every innovative e-service in Estonia. It can authenticate identity and also provide a digital signature. The weight of the signature is backed by Estonian law making it legally-binding. To minimise risk, the system uses suitably hefty encryption, with only a minimum of private data kept on the ID card. Lost cards can be conveniently cancelled and in over a decade no breaches of security have been reported.

So with all this connectedness it's not surprising that wireless internet is almost everywhere in Estonia, and almost always free and speedy. Wireless internet access points can be found in most public locations: parks, squares, pubs, cafés, restaurants, airports, trains, bus stations and often it's even possible to access the internet in what seems a remote location, on a beach or in a forest.

Estonia is currently also implementing plans to connect up the country to the next-generation broadband network with a transmission speed up to 100 Mbit/s by the year of 2018.

Estonia's progress in this area has not gone unnoticed especially its achievements regarding transparency and accessibility in government, Estonia has positioned itself as a champion of e-governance. A position they endeavour to reciprocate, various NGO's such as the e-governance academy promote collaborations between Estonia and other countries particularly in Central, Eastern Europe and in Africa.

Other ways in which Estonia is sharing its successes is the recently launched, and a world first, e-residency program. "e-Residency offers to every world citizen a government-issued digital identity and the opportunity to run a trusted company online, unleashing the world's entrepreneurial potential." says Kaspar Korjus, e-Residency Programme Manager. The total number of e-Estonians, i.e. e-residents, all over the world, is expected to be 10 million by 2025.

Estonian programmers have been behind the creation of digital brands such as Skype, Hotmail and more recently Transferwise (a online currency converter which has attracted investment from the likes of Richard Branson). Estonia has declared internet access a human right, it has a thriving IT start up culture and has digitally streamlined an unprecedented number of public services for citizens and businesses.

The roots of this revolution began in 1991, the year of Estonian independence, Estonian policy makers were given the rare gift of a bureaucratic clean slate. Placing their faith in the burgeoning possibilities of the internet and value of innovation, they steered the country into a position where it could leapfrog to become one of the most advanced e-societies in the world.



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