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re: Let's all go on the PT record, who do you want to prevail, Russia or Ukraine?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 2:14 am to Bass Tiger
Posted on 2/28/22 at 2:14 am to Bass Tiger
What if I don't give a shite about either one. I just don't want WWIII to break out.
I just want to live my life as a free man here in the good ole USA.
I just want to live my life as a free man here in the good ole USA.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 3:32 am to Bass Tiger
Members of the Brookings Institute, the CFR, and Open Society are now calling for regime change in Russia. If they support something, then you are better off being against it. Some people will claim this is simply in response to the invasion. Others more aware will know this was the plan all along.
Article showing calls for regime change
Article showing calls for regime change
Posted on 2/28/22 at 3:48 am to Bass Tiger
quote:No preference. I just hope it moves to settlement quickly. But now that may not happen. The war could turn into a bloody slog, and our role in igniting it makes me sick.
who do you want to prevail, Russia or Ukraine
Posted on 2/28/22 at 3:51 am to NC_Tigah
What was our role in your view? For the sake of conversation and such…….
Posted on 2/28/22 at 4:16 am to davyjones
If you frequent this board long enough, you should already know by now, Davy. Ukraine has been a melting pot of corruption from the deep state for decades. They've been pushing to get the Ukraine to be a part of NATO and to be an enemy of Russia.
Now, let's get serious about my above comment. Do I favor Russia? Hell no.
The war at hand is to flush out the NWO/Globalists that have utilized the Ukraine as their haven for illegal activities. Soros funded the Orange Revolution in 2004 to flush out the Russian sympathetic politicians. (side note: should the Ukraine be pro-Russian or anti-, I'm kinda leaning NO as most of the other breakaway countries don't seem to like the last rodeo) Since then we've had a flurry of USA politicians benefitting from Ukrainian energy deals and money laundering schemes. MSM comments on this? None. They are compromised, so you don't get the real low-down. But to be objective, why would Putin want to have a country full of corruption with, as he calls it "neo-nazis" forcing their hand in joining NATO as an anti-Russian entity? Predictable answer.
Just look at all the clowny US folks rallying for the Ukraine, (again this sounds reasonable when we talk of a perceived "invasion"). The reality is that the Biden's, Clinton's, Pelosi's, Romney's, Schiff's, Kerry's and probably a hand-full of others have been money laundering from this scheme for years, and GUESS WHO IS WHINING THE MOST?!? Also, note that another of the recent whiners was Alexander Soros (son of? yeah).
In closing, I don't care who "wins" this combat. I want the people in the paragraph above to lose. Capiche?
Now, let's get serious about my above comment. Do I favor Russia? Hell no.
The war at hand is to flush out the NWO/Globalists that have utilized the Ukraine as their haven for illegal activities. Soros funded the Orange Revolution in 2004 to flush out the Russian sympathetic politicians. (side note: should the Ukraine be pro-Russian or anti-, I'm kinda leaning NO as most of the other breakaway countries don't seem to like the last rodeo) Since then we've had a flurry of USA politicians benefitting from Ukrainian energy deals and money laundering schemes. MSM comments on this? None. They are compromised, so you don't get the real low-down. But to be objective, why would Putin want to have a country full of corruption with, as he calls it "neo-nazis" forcing their hand in joining NATO as an anti-Russian entity? Predictable answer.
Just look at all the clowny US folks rallying for the Ukraine, (again this sounds reasonable when we talk of a perceived "invasion"). The reality is that the Biden's, Clinton's, Pelosi's, Romney's, Schiff's, Kerry's and probably a hand-full of others have been money laundering from this scheme for years, and GUESS WHO IS WHINING THE MOST?!? Also, note that another of the recent whiners was Alexander Soros (son of? yeah).
In closing, I don't care who "wins" this combat. I want the people in the paragraph above to lose. Capiche?
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 4:19 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 4:31 am to TruthSpeaker225
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Ukraine has a democratically elected President
Just like we do.....
Posted on 2/28/22 at 4:35 am to davyjones
quote:Without our direct involvement, there would be no war. Our role was to poke the bear until it attacked.
What was our role in your view? For the sake of conversation and such…….
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:07 am to NC_Tigah
By direct do you mean intentional? I’m definitely all in on “but for the U.S. government, this thing wouldn’t be happening right now”. But by “U.S. government” in this particular instance I mean Joe Biden’s withdrawal from Afghanistan, as well as a feckless approach and response to the lead up to the thing. And hell also pretty much just Joe Biden himself, just his existence was a strong factor because of the severe lack of authoritative temperament. But you may be talking about much more intentional and devious actions by our government.
And you don’t believe any of the hype about Putin wanting to get the band back together with bits and pieces of the former Soviet Union being a key motivation for Putin?
And you don’t believe any of the hype about Putin wanting to get the band back together with bits and pieces of the former Soviet Union being a key motivation for Putin?
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:10 am to mjfrog93
Final thought: Ukraine President Zelensky say's he's the number 1 target of the "enemy", his family second. He didn't say the Russians or Putin. Think about that for a short minute. He's staying in Kiev, and both he and Putin have indicated an interest in a peace deal. I think there are other functions underway that don't play well with the MSM.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:12 am to Bass Tiger
Your question is....... Is it more beneficial to the U.S. if Ukraine prevails or if Russia prevails? What are you calling "prevail?" I want people to not suffer. That's my answer.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:30 am to Bass Tiger
I've been to Ukraine on business and it is a very corrupt country. The way they do business you would think you're dealing with the mafia. And I was working directly with their defense minister. Having said that how can you not back Zelenksi right now? He's fighting for freedom and independence. I love what he told Biden when offered to evacuate him. "I don't need a ride. I need ammunition". Hard not to like that guy. I'm with Ukraine. Fu** Putin.
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 5:31 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:40 am to TruthSpeaker225
I hate it for the Ukraine people , but their govt. has been laundering money for the joe biden and crew. I like the fact that the govt. will go down, and hopefully alot of info will come out.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:41 am to davyjones
quote:100%.
By direct do you mean intentional?
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• Join Nato and we'll target missiles at Kiev, Putin warns Ukraine - Feb 12, 2008 LINK
• Russia's Lavrov Warns Ukraine Against Joining NATO -Sep 4, 2014 LINK
• Putin says he warned Trump against closer NATO ties with Ukraine - Jul 19, 2018 LINK
• Putin warns NATO against closer ties with Ukraine and Georgia - Jul 19, 2018 LINK
• Putin warns Russia will act if NATO crosses its red lines in Ukraine - Nov 30, 2021 LINK
• Putin warns West: Moscow has 'red line' about Ukraine, NATO - Nov 30, 2021 LINK
• Putin warns of possible military response over 'aggressive' Nato - Dec 21, 2021 LINK
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Putin argued that to avoid tensions, Russia and the West should negotiate agreements that would safeguard each party’s security interests.
“The matter is not whether to send troops or not, go to war or not, but to establish a more fair and stable development and taking into account security interests of all international players,” he replied when asked if Russia was going to invade Ukraine. “If we sincerely strive for that, no one will fear any threats.”
The Russian leader noted that Russia has worried about NATO drills near its borders, pointing at a recent exercise that involved U.S. strategic bombers.
“Strategic bombers, which carry precision weapons and are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, were flying as close as 20 kilometers (12 miles) to our border,” Putin said. “That represents a threat for us.”
After the buildup of Russian troops near Ukraine early this year, Putin and U.S. President Joe Biden held a June summit in Geneva, where they agreed to launch a dialogue on strategic stability and cybersecurity. Putin on Tuesday hailed the cybersecurity discussions between Russian and U.S. experts, saying “just as with the pandemic, it’s necessary to pool efforts to work efficiently.”
Asked about reports on plans for a Biden-Putin call next month, White House press secretary Jen Psaki told reporters Tuesday aboard Air Force One that she doesn’t have “anything to predict or preview at this point,” adding that “obviously, we remain in touch as a follow up to the summit this summer, at a high level with Russian counterparts.”
Responding to a question about the threat of a Russian invasion in Ukraine, Psaki said “we’re deeply concerned about the heightened rhetoric, about the reported military buildup on the border.”
November 30, 2021
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December 6, 2021
Putin expected to demand guarantee in Biden call that NATO won’t expand east
December 9, 2021
Biden assures Zelenskiy NATO membership is in Ukraine's hands!
This post was edited on 2/28/22 at 5:57 am
Posted on 2/28/22 at 5:50 am to Jjdoc
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Or option 3. I hope they both lose.
I can’t show my work, but somehow in 2022 this means you support Drumpf. I’m sure the OP can explain it, maybe by using the Quadratic Facebook Theorem. Geopolitics is like fricking high school. Pick a side, man.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:10 am to Bass Tiger
Both sides are bad so what difference does it make?
That said, I fall on the side of regular people having freedom. As long a regular folks remain free, I don’t care what government represents them.
That said, I fall on the side of regular people having freedom. As long a regular folks remain free, I don’t care what government represents them.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:15 am to Bass Tiger
I believe this is more of a US, meddling in Ukraine and Russia, seeing this as a way to eventually take them out.
Media and war hawks trying to get us in this war. Their kids go to elite schools it will be the poor and middle class fighting this war.
I hope we stay out of this cluster F$&k.
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:24 am to Bass Tiger
whoever the 18 people are that are team Putin should see the truckers convoy with not Russia's flag or Vlad but the Ukraine flag.
To: all the fringe on team Putin thinking he is in your fantasy of combating the world's evil cabal; because some FBI agents on a fringe site said so. You capitulated a false flag already with your nonsense. You are a pasty for false flags
To: all the fringe on team Putin thinking he is in your fantasy of combating the world's evil cabal; because some FBI agents on a fringe site said so. You capitulated a false flag already with your nonsense. You are a pasty for false flags
Posted on 2/28/22 at 6:25 am to Bass Tiger
I am rooting for the meteor.
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