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Ledell Lee case is one reason I can't support the death penalty
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:14 pm
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The American Civil Liberties Union and the Innocence Project, which are representing Lee's sister, filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit last year. The suit asked the court to order the city of Jacksonville, Arkansas, to release DNA and fingerprints from the scene that the organizations said do not match Lee's.
The ACLU and Innocence Project wanted to test the DNA and fingerprints and run them through national databases, which had not been done before.
In a January 2020 press release, the ACLU said it had found "serious flaws in the evidence used to convict" Lee and identified "DNA evidence that likely belonged to the killer."
We have wrongly killed people in the past and will continue to do so in the future
There is no benefit of supporting the death penalty that can outweigh these tragedies
Another man's DNA found on murder weapon years after execution
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:20 pm to Powerman
God’s justice is perfect even if the justice of men isn’t.
I support the death penalty and wish it were used more often. Perhaps criminals would think twice about their crimes.
I support the death penalty and wish it were used more often. Perhaps criminals would think twice about their crimes.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:22 pm to FooManChoo
quote:people have been hanged, quartered, etc for 1000's of years and has still only deterred so many. I agree with the OP. Too many people get wrongly convicted. I'd rather spare them all than to see even a couple innocents get executed. The problem with our system is that prosecutors get paid to win, not find the truth.
Perhaps criminals would think twice about their crimes.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:23 pm to FooManChoo
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I support the death penalty and wish it were used more often.
Even though we sometimes kill the wrong person? As a man of God you see no moral issue with that?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:25 pm to arcalades
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people have been hanged, quartered, etc for 1000's of years and has still only deterred so many.
There is 0 evidence that the death penalty is an effective crime deterrent.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:33 pm to Powerman
quote:Yes. Man isn’t omniscient but must use best judgment in dispensing judgment. God sanctioned the death penalty for fallible men so I don’t see it as a moral issue. What would be immoral is knowingly putting an innocent man to death.
Even though we sometimes kill the wrong person? As a man of God you see no moral issue with that?
For the Christian, it is enough to know that God is sovereign in the affairs of men. For the non-Christian, there is no ultimate objective basis for saying that the DP is immoral.
I’m satisfied in my convictions.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:35 pm to Powerman
quote:Whether a deterrent or not, it is justice. Those who shed man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
There is 0 evidence that the death penalty is an effective crime deterrent.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Yes. Man isn’t omniscient but must use best judgment in dispensing judgment. God sanctioned the death penalty for fallible men so I don’t see it as a moral issue. What would be immoral is knowingly putting an innocent man to death.
Keeping a flawed system in place ensures a 100% chance of you eventually putting an innocent person to death though.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:35 pm to FooManChoo
The law is meant to be a shield not a sword. That said, worrying about this is like worrying about police killing innocent black people. It doesn’t happen anywhere near enough to be used as a catalyst for change imo.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:36 pm to Powerman
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from the scene
Do you know exactly what fingerprints they’re talking about? DNA and fingerprints could’ve been from a visitor wholly unrelated to the incident that was present prior to the killing.
Where was the convicted person’s DNA and fingerprints found? On the murder weapon also? On the body?
You can’t trust the ACLU headlines unless you dig into the facts yourself
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:36 pm to Powerman
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There is 0 evidence that the death penalty is an effective crime deterrent.
Murder and overall crime rates in Saudi Arabia tell a different story.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:37 pm to FooManChoo
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Whether a deterrent or not, it is justice.
So you don't care if it has a societal positive outcome?
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Those who shed man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
OK so it's just weird irrational blood lust vengeance for you
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:38 pm to Powerman
I think the death penalty should be used but only for the most severe crimes. Such as mass murder, rape and murder, child rape, stuff like that. Also the accused should be proven completely beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:38 pm to td01241
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. It doesn’t happen anywhere near enough to be used as a catalyst for change imo.
That would make sense if the death penalty had a benefit that we would be forfeiting. It doesn't.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:38 pm to FooManChoo
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God’s justice is perfect even if the justice of men isn’t.
I’m sure this sentiment gives the families of innocent men who have been put to death plenty of solace. I’m only in favor of the death penalty if there is no shite 100% certainty that person committed the crime. There has to be no doubt or question that the defendant is guilty and the offense has to be so grievous and heinous that it’d be like putting down a rabid dog.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:39 pm to Powerman
quote:All judgments involving man are flawed. Technology that we have today makes the judgment more certain than any other time in history.
Keeping a flawed system in place ensures a 100% chance of you eventually putting an innocent person to death though.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:41 pm to Powerman
I imagine if say, someone raped and murdered my wife and daughter, I’d find some benefit in knowing they’d find justice. I agree with other posters it should be reserved for certain crimes with 100% guilt but that’s a fantasy.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:42 pm to Powerman
quote:I believe the DP has a societal positive outcome. Justice provides a societal positive outcome.
So you don't care if it has a societal positive outcome?
quote:Not at all. It’s from the Bible. It is speaking about justice, not vengeance.
OK so it's just weird irrational blood lust vengeance for you
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:42 pm to Powerman
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We have wrongly killed people in the past and will continue to do so in the future
There is no benefit of supporting the death penalty that can outweigh these tragedies
One thing I can agree with you.
Also, I believe it costs more to get someone executed than it does to warehouse them to their natural death.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:44 pm to RollTide1987
quote:For the Christian, it does provide solace.
I’m sure this sentiment gives the families of innocent men who have been put to death plenty of solace.
quote:How many times has there been “no doubt” about a verdict only to have additional evidence provide doubt after the fact?
I’m only in favor of the death penalty if there is no shite 100% certainty that person committed the crime. There has to be no doubt or question that the defendant is guilty and the offense has to be so grievous and heinous that it’d be like putting down a rabid dog.
Humans don’t always get it right, but the government still has a responsibility under God to dispense justice.
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