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re: Leaked Pentagon Document - 16 - 17k Russian Troops KIA - 71,500 Ukraine Troops KIA
Posted on 4/7/23 at 3:56 pm to DatNolaClap
Posted on 4/7/23 at 3:56 pm to DatNolaClap
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They can’t even use aviation on the enemy side of the front lines. That in itself shows that they are not a very capable force. They outnumber the enemy. They have (or had)the overwhelming advantage in armored vehicles, tanks, and warplanes. They have long range missiles and the Ukrainians don’t. It’s pretty clear that they’re not a very capable force at all. It’s been over a year. They have not only made made minimal progress in the last 8 months but they have ceded large swaths of land near Kharkiv and Kherson back to Ukraine. During that same period of time they have lost more land than they have taken. Of course, you know all of this already. You’re just so anti democrat that anything they support, no matter what it is, youre against. For whatever reason that has inhibited you and many others on this board from displaying rational thoughts and opinions. This rings especially true when it comes to the Russian-Ukrainian war. If the Democratic Party came out tomorrow and said they are nominating Donald Trump for the 2024 presidential nomination then you’d despise him. If in that same press release Biden announced military support for Russia and the breaking of relations with Ukraine you would likely be on here spouting bull shite supporting Ukraine. Open your eyes and stop supporting a country trying to reestablish the communist Soviet Union. It’s weird.
Holy Jeebus
Posted on 4/7/23 at 3:57 pm to hawgfaninc
Fake lol. Even the Russians admit to more than that. Why are you so desperate to find good news in their favor?
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:10 pm to LSUbest
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Bakhmut has fallen.
Ukraine spent it's load trying o stop it.
It certainly appears to be falling now. Russia used meat wave attacks a yard or two here and there for 8 months.
That's a very high price to pay for "success."
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:19 pm to rds dc
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One of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths.
Come on people! Can we at least verify whether this is accurate or not with a MSNBC link?
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:25 pm to Auburn1968
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It certainly appears to be falling now. Russia used meat wave attacks a yard or two here and there for 8 months.
That's a very high price to pay for "success."
So?
They have very different beliefs than we do when it comes to just how expendable human lives are. Frankly, we're the outlier when it comes to that.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:28 pm to MrLSU
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One of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths.
Sadly people will still believe what the media tells them
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:30 pm to OGtigerfan87
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Fake lol. Even the Russians admit to more than that. Why are you so desperate to find good news in their favor?
Yeah, I mean there was a line of Russian troops, mostly in vehicles, stretching like 25 miles long and then there was footage of Ukranians blowing trucks up and you never heard about the line again. We supposed to believe the Russians turned around and went back?
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:31 pm to BeepNode
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We supposed to believe the Russians turned around and went back?
Well, you want us to believe every Russian in the column was killed, so...
Posted on 4/7/23 at 4:38 pm to momentoftruth87
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And if Putin is so bad and losing so many troops why hasn’t he nuked them?
If the numbers are actually 2:1 in favor of Ukraine, that's an acceptable level of loss for Russia. They've never been particularly skilled at warfare. Their 3 best weapons have always been distance, winter, and bodies. Putin knows that if he uses nukes, that genie can't be put back in the bottle. Not saying that he'd NEVER do it, but things will have to get significantly worse before he throws a nuke. He's still hoping to win on pure numbers.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 5:33 pm to BeepNode
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I mean there was a line of Russian troops, mostly in vehicles, stretching like 25 miles long and then there was footage of Ukranians blowing trucks up and you never heard about the line again.
You have video of a 25 mile caravan of destroyed equipment?
Link that! I would love to see it.
Let's be realistic...This war has the least amount of video evidence in modern times. I wonder why.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 5:44 pm to Auburn1968
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It certainly appears to be falling now.
The lone holdout seem to be a small force in Western Bakhmut.
The US has known the outcome for weeks, we began sending supplies designated for other areas.
If the casualties from each side are the "altered" numbers - we should quit helping a lost cause and negotiate peace.
If the casualties from each side are what WE are reporting, we should continue to aid the fight.
I don't think the financial gain of US companies and politicians should be a factor.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 8:47 pm to DMAN1968
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You have video of a 25 mile caravan of destroyed equipment?
Link that! I would love to see it.
What do you think happened to them? I just looked it up and it was nearly 40 miles long. Had to be 30k troops at least.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:33 pm to Auburn1968
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It certainly appears to be falling now. Russia used meat wave attacks a yard or two here and there for 8 months.
That's a very high price to pay for "success."
I'm sure Putin is devastated to lose those Wagner prisoners
Even pro-Ukrainian sources have admitted that they lost a significant number of their best soldiers in Bakhmut. That's absolutely a win for Russia
This post was edited on 4/7/23 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 4/7/23 at 10:35 pm to BeepNode
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Yeah, I mean there was a line of Russian troops, mostly in vehicles, stretching like 25 miles long and then there was footage of Ukranians blowing trucks up and you never heard about the line again. We supposed to believe the Russians turned around and went back?
You don't think that would've been front page news for every media outlet in the Western world? I sure as hell never saw it
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:17 pm to TexasForever
The OT thread is falling like Bakhmut
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:19 pm to BeepNode
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Yeah, I mean there was a line of Russian troops, mostly in vehicles, stretching like 25 miles long and then there was footage of Ukranians blowing trucks up
This is false as frick. When those vehicles were lined up the videos were tiktoks of Ukraine troops dancing.
Posted on 4/7/23 at 11:24 pm to rds dc
Wow, a conventional military is doing better than a bunch of civilians? I am shocked!
Posted on 4/8/23 at 4:55 am to rds dc
I’ve heard 200,000+ Ukrainians are dead and these kill numbers are almost always manipulated for propaganda reasons
Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:18 am to Decatur
All of a sudden they quit saying the numbers were changed. As if everything 5eyes does isn't seen by China & Russia. China probably leaked them. But does it matter?
This is what happens when you are laundering money & the CCP owns you and then aligns against you. The JCS, DOJNSD, Biden admin & Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland all need charged with dereliction of duties, endangering national security 34 counts, 100 counts of treason, sentenced to death. (They always do what they accuse and they want to charge Trump with treason-death)
This is what happens when you are laundering money & the CCP owns you and then aligns against you. The JCS, DOJNSD, Biden admin & Susan Rice, Victoria Nuland all need charged with dereliction of duties, endangering national security 34 counts, 100 counts of treason, sentenced to death. (They always do what they accuse and they want to charge Trump with treason-death)
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New batch of classified U.S. documents appear on social media sites
WASHINGTON – A new batch of classified documents that appear to detail U.S. national security secrets from Ukraine to the Middle East to China surfaced on social media sites Friday, alarming the Pentagon and adding turmoil to a situation that seemed to have caught the Biden administration off guard.
The scale of the leak — analysts say more than 100 documents may have been obtained — along with the sensitivity of the documents themselves, could be hugely damaging, U.S. officials said. A senior intelligence official called the leak “a nightmare for the Five Eyes,” in a reference to the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the so-called Five Eyes nations that broadly share intelligence.
The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an alarming assessment of Ukraine’s faltering air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.
Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official, said the leak of the classified documents represents “a significant breach in security” that could hinder Ukrainian military planning. “As many of these were pictures of documents, it appears that it was a deliberate leak done by someone that wished to damage the Ukraine, U.S., and NATO efforts,” he said.
One analyst described what has emerged so far as the “tip of the iceberg.”
Early Friday, senior national security officials dealing with the initial leak, which was first reported by The New York Times, said a new worry had arisen: Was that information the only intelligence that was leaked?
By Friday afternoon, they had their answer. Even as officials at the Pentagon and national security agencies were investigating the source of documents that had appeared on Twitter and on Telegram, another surfaced on 4chan, an anonymous, fringe message board. The 4chan document is a map that purports to show the status of the war in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, the scene of a fierce, monthslong battle.
But the leaked documents appear to go well beyond highly classified material on Ukraine war plans. Security analysts who have reviewed the documents tumbling onto social media sites say the increasing trove also includes sensitive briefing slides on China, the Indo-Pacific military theater, the Middle East and terrorism.
The Pentagon said in a statement Thursday that the Defense Department was looking into the matter. On Friday, as the disclosures widened, department officials said they had nothing to add. But privately, officials in several national security agencies acknowledged both a rush to find the source of the leaks and a potential for what one official said could be a steady drip of classified information posted on sites.
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Posted on 4/8/23 at 8:30 am to cajunangelle
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All of a sudden they quit saying the numbers were changed
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