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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:07 pm to Lee B
Posted on 7/18/25 at 5:07 pm to Lee B
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The problem is that we didn't give American workers the same Social spending.
We couldn't.
Compare the Euro budgets vs the US budgets in the 1960s through 80s when they were building their social net, and we were putting people on the moon and at the Berlin wall.
Its the same money, but there is no gratitude from the Europeans as a whole.
The Brits and eastern Europe Ive found to be the best of them by far. They never built the decadent society that the Old EU did.
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Posted on 7/18/25 at 6:16 pm to Lee B
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social spending was to cut the nuts off of their internal Communist parties.
So what is the excuse for it continuing today? We are not talking about the Marshall Plan. The social welfare that we see today exploded after the Berlin Wall fell. Communism was dead and they chose to go down this path. For example GB was spending 6% on defense when the wall fell. What are they spending today? We can see the results of your socialist utopia for America in the results/effects of LBJ's Great Society. It is an abysmal failure.
Although I will admit that even today many of their governments are nothing but socialists- commie lites.
This post was edited on 7/18/25 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 7/18/25 at 6:26 pm to Narax
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They never built the decadent society that the Old EU did.
That is a perfect way to categorize them: decadent societies.
100% spot on.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 6:57 pm to Lee B
An American who moved his family to Russia to avoid LGBTQ+ “indoctrination” is being sent to the front lines despite being assured he would serve in a non-combat role.
Daily Beast: Texan Moved Fam to Russia to Flee Woke—Now He’s Headed to Ukraine Front Line
Derek Huffman, 46, joined the military with hopes of becoming a Russian citizen. His wife said he was duped into a combat role.
Daily Beast: Texan Moved Fam to Russia to Flee Woke—Now He’s Headed to Ukraine Front Line
Derek Huffman, 46, joined the military with hopes of becoming a Russian citizen. His wife said he was duped into a combat role.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:01 pm to Lee B
I bet the guy posted here.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:09 pm to doubleb
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I bet the guy posted here.
One can only hope.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:16 pm to cypher
Zelensky, Macron discuss SAMP/T air defenses, Mirage jet training in hour-long call
July 18, 2025 2:25 pm
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on July 18 he held a "very substantive, hour-long conversation" with French President Emmanuel Macron about the front-line situation and Ukraine's most urgent defense needs.
Zelensky thanked Macron for what he described as a "truly strategic vision" and said France is ready to assist with the specific capabilities Ukrainian forces require, including air defense and drone interceptors.
"We also spoke in detail about strengthening Ukraine's air defense, particularly the supply of missiles for SAMP/T systems and funding for interceptor drones," Zelensky wrote. He added that joint decisions with France and other partners would be coordinated at the level of defense and foreign ministers in the coming weeks.
Politico earlier reported that France would not take part in a new NATO-led initiative to finance the delivery of U.S. weapons to Ukraine. Under this scheme, NATO will purchase advanced arms from the U.S., including air defense systems, and deliver some of them to Ukraine.
France reportedly declined to join the plan because of Macron's push for European nations to strengthen their own defense industries by purchasing domestically produced arms.
The Kyiv Independent
July 18, 2025 2:25 pm
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on July 18 he held a "very substantive, hour-long conversation" with French President Emmanuel Macron about the front-line situation and Ukraine's most urgent defense needs.
Zelensky thanked Macron for what he described as a "truly strategic vision" and said France is ready to assist with the specific capabilities Ukrainian forces require, including air defense and drone interceptors.
"We also spoke in detail about strengthening Ukraine's air defense, particularly the supply of missiles for SAMP/T systems and funding for interceptor drones," Zelensky wrote. He added that joint decisions with France and other partners would be coordinated at the level of defense and foreign ministers in the coming weeks.
Politico earlier reported that France would not take part in a new NATO-led initiative to finance the delivery of U.S. weapons to Ukraine. Under this scheme, NATO will purchase advanced arms from the U.S., including air defense systems, and deliver some of them to Ukraine.
France reportedly declined to join the plan because of Macron's push for European nations to strengthen their own defense industries by purchasing domestically produced arms.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:46 pm to Narax
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They only bought a pittance anyway, some high profile F-35s so their rich kids could play pilot.
That's not really true. Between 2015 and 2019 onwards, around 15% of US arms exports went to Europe, with the trend increasing to 35% from 2020 to 2024.
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There is a plain choice, they can either build their own military with US or domestic weapons, and ignore US needs
If buying US weapons means that they have to engage in US foreign policy adventures, then that's absolutely a no-go.
The direction that Europe is going suggests that each country is going to specialize in a certain branch while offering some basic capabilities in other branches. For the British, this means they are going to heavily invest in their Navy, with nearly 20 new capital ships in the process of being built, with all of them finally commissioned before 2030. They are also going to heavily invest in their missile program while also restructuring their land forces. I previously described French, Polish, and German efforts in another post, but their procurement strategies are more focused on land forces, with the French in particular attempting to rebuild their expeditionary potential.
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What they want is to direct US policy and not actually fund a real military.
No, it looks like what they want is time to reorient their industrial capacity in order to meet their spending goals. What I mean here is that if they begin to invest heavily in their defense, there is a limit to the money that can be spent year-to-year given the current industrial limitations. It is all good and well that they want to spend money on the military, but that is only going to create upward pressure on prices if industrial capacity is currently what it is. There has to be an equally heavy investment in the industrial side in order to maximize that potential spending.
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And the great thing is that camp cannot hide their distain for the US.
Firstly, who cares? Secondly, how is that a great thing?
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:55 pm to AU86
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The social welfare that we see today exploded after the Berlin Wall fell.
Maybe the result of the peace dividend promised by Bush and Thatcher? I'd have to look at the trends, but my suspicion is that what was touted as social spending in certain places and fiscal responsibility in other places was really an excuse to avoid investing appropriately into the state.
One reason that US defense spending is somewhat effective versus other countries is that there are downstream benefits to the consumer sector from the things originally designed for military application, such as GPS. Without the downstream benefits, it often becomes an either/or scenario for European countries which just do not have the research infrastructure to replicate what the US does, although they could if they organized it across Europe. Those efforts have seen mixed results though.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 7:57 pm to Narax
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The Brits and eastern Europe Ive found to be the best of them by far. They never built the decadent society that the Old EU did.
What is the Old EU referring to here? There has been only one, and this is really the first major military challenge Federal Europe has faced since the EU expanded.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 8:19 pm to crazy4lsu
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What is the Old EU referring to here?
The founding states of 1993, pre expansion into eastern Europe.
Posted on 7/18/25 at 8:44 pm to Narax
In actual war news, Russia captured 3 settlements in the Donetsk region today
Posted on 7/18/25 at 11:24 pm to texag7
In actual news it’s apparent the US would curb stomp Russia going head to head. But hopefully it never comes to that
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:08 am to texag7
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In actual war news, Russia captured 3 settlements in the Donetsk region today
with 8 milk cows, 5 goats and 10 pigs.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:16 am to Narax
The French have always had an arms industry for itself and export.
Explain Finland and Sweden which have both robust military for their sizes and cradle to grave social spending.
Explain Finland and Sweden which have both robust military for their sizes and cradle to grave social spending.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:20 am to lsuoilengr
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If tweet fails to load, click here. This bill is focuses on domestic issues and actually had no provisions for Ukrainian (or Israeli) support. Just Greene trying to make a statement and laying a potential landmine in front of the later Senate consideration.
However it does illustrate the current mood in Congress and how it has changed in regards to Ukrainian support. The de-link from the White House due to solid constituency support for Ukraine and understandable concern for the midterms is clear.
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Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:25 am to Coeur du Tigre
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Believe me, everyone in the US DoD will be closely watching what the Ukrainians do to modify and employ these tanks.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 5:54 am to Coeur du Tigre
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The Patriot system Germany promised to send to Ukraine will only be ready in 6–8 months, Bild reports citing a German government source. Originally, the plan was for the US to supply air defense while Germany financed replenishment. But Trump declared the US military won't give up a single unit—Europe must provide from its own stockpiles.
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Trump's presser with Rutte was basically a stage managed photo op to distract from the Epstein files.
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Did anyone really think that the deliveries would be fast? This isn't Israel, when thousands of tons of weapons were already being unloaded at Tel Aviv airport on October 10th.
TACO every time. And we know why.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 6:00 am to Coeur du Tigre
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If tweet fails to load, click here. It's getting hard to understand how Gazprom will survive this war. Every contract with the West is null due to ties to the Kremlin and thus just about every illegal activity in the book. Other than their public relations office in Vienna, it's just an empty shell now.
Posted on 7/19/25 at 6:31 am to Coeur du Tigre
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Every contract with the West is null due to ties to the Kremlin and thus just about every illegal activity in the book. Other than their public relations office in Vienna, it's just an empty shell now.
Forgetting fat boy, Orban? That is under market price anyway. As I pointed out several days ago, LNG is sold pretty much at cost. This creates cash flow only and keep wells flowing as to not sand up.
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